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Why is housing so expensive?

 
 
Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 11:03 am
You would think with modern technology, such a necessity of life will become less expensive, but its not, why?
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Caroline
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 11:11 am
@IMO phil,
Im no expert but I think that maybe it's because anything that costs money to make we have to pay for. I know what you're saying, many years ago I had a thought that everyone should be housed in low cost housing because everyone needs somewhere to live, looking back i think how niave that was, things like health care which is another service that should be made available at a low cost to people on low incomes, which also costs alot of money, the NHS in the UK is getting worse. If I didn't work I would have bad teeth, (I still have it's that expensive it's taking me ages to pay off). So things that should be made available to us at a low cost aren't, why I dont know, the only thing I can conclude is that it is because of money. I have no idea how much things cost like the lab bill for the dentist for instance. Then there are dentists wages and the nurses and the equipment and so on, like I said im no expert.
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Khethil
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 01:05 pm
@IMO phil,
It shouldn't be - I wish it wasn't.
BrightNoon
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 10:14 am
@Khethil,
Inflation, government subsidized housing, GSE lending programs; the first increases the cost of everything (not only nominally, but in real terms with respect to wages), the second and third create artificial demand for housing, which increases prices.
Caroline
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 11:05 am
@BrightNoon,
BrightNoon;66553 wrote:
.....the second and third create artificial demand for housing, which increases prices.

Would you mind explaining this a bit more please?
BrightNoon
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 02:10 pm
@Caroline,
If at any time, in any market, the government gives a subsidy to an individual to buy something, or rent something, that means that in this market there is one more buyer (or renter) than there was before: more demand, thus higher prices. If the person in question could buy or rent the house without said subsidy, he wouldn't need the subsidy: the whole idea is to allow someone who could not otherwise buy/rent a home to do so. Basically its the same with the low income loans which the government mandated Fannie and Freddie to make. People who could not otherwise have entered the market as a buyer did, therefore increasing demand and prices. And of course that turned out wonderfully didn't it?
VideCorSpoon
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 03:01 pm
@BrightNoon,
IMO;66384 wrote:
Why is housing so expensive? You would think with modern technology, such a necessity of life will become less expensive, but its not, why?


A general answer to why housing is so expensive is a simple application of economic principle of supply and demand.
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CarolA
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 07:41 pm
@VideCorSpoon,
VideCorSpoon's explanation is very good, and really explains why anything we buy costs what it does.

Another problem which may have sent house prices up, even without more people, shortages of land etc, may be the expectations have also risen. Look at the tiny cabins entire families used to live in in the 19th century. No expensive appliances or fittings. No services.

Quite frankly I would rather have a dishwasher/bathroom/airconditioning, but there is a cost. My 80 year old house is the same size as the one my parents and 3 children lived in, now just 2 of us live in the same space. It's close to the city so the land is worth a lot, but when it was built it was a new suburb. It's hard to see a way out of the problem unless we can move out of dense cities into cheap land, but who wants to live without power or a sewer system?
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nameless
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 01:52 am
@IMO phil,
IMO;66384 wrote:
Why is housing so expensive?

Greed...............
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RDRDRD1
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2009 06:05 pm
@IMO phil,
A significant factor in housing prices is the role of housing as a commodity. Before retirement I practised as a bankrutpcy lawyer. I saw many young couples whipsawed in housing boom and bust cycles that were largely driven by speculators. The standard example was a young married couple, eager to start a family, that got panicked into buying at inflated prices for fear of being unable to buy at all when prices got higher yet. The bubble bursts and they're left with a house at such a depressed value that they're unable to refinance the mortgage debt when the term expires.

Many years ago I read of one Scandinavian country which decided that the social benefits of a stable housing market warranted excluding housing as a speculative commodity. The simple answer was to place a punitive tax on all profits from speculative house investment. If you bought a house as your residence and resided in it for a fixed number of years, you were not taxed on the gain when you sold it. Alternately you were allowed to sell the property and not accrue speculation taxes if you used the proceeds to purchase a replacement residence.

Driving the speculators out of the housing market dampened the boom and bust cycle, stabilized housing prices at a realistic value and enabled first-time buyers to avoid the devastation caused by wild fluctuations in housing prices.

The government's attitude was that there was no shortage of other commodities that speculators could invest in. Therefore the social utility of excluding housing from commodity trading was totally justified.
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Elmud
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:36 pm
@IMO phil,
IMO;66384 wrote:
You would think with modern technology, such a necessity of life will become less expensive, but its not, why?
The cost of materials and the markups behind them. The cost of each subcontractor involved and the markups behind them. The real estate folks and the markups behind them. If a person had the ability to build their own home, and whatever they could not do themselves, hire their own subcontractors , the markups could be eliminated. But,I suppose it would depend on where you want to build that would dictate all of the legalities , license wise. If a person could eliminate the need for a general contractor, and delegate the necessary trades themselves, many middlemen would not be necessary, and all of the markups they tack on.
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sarathustrah
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:47 pm
@IMO phil,
IMO;66384 wrote:
You would think with modern technology, such a necessity of life will become less expensive, but its not, why?


supply and demand Laughing
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richrf
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 04:41 pm
@IMO phil,
IMO;66384 wrote:
You would think with modern technology, such a necessity of life will become less expensive, but its not, why?


Hi,

I agree with most of what has been said. You can break down costs as follows;

1) Cost of land: this varies. Still very cheap in the middle of a desert, much more so in N.Y. Location, location, location.

2) Cost of construction: During the last real estate mania, cost of goods and labor went up astronomically, because of material and labor shortages. Plus, what was built was pretty junky to boot.

3) Cost of purchase: Mortgage rates have plummeted and have been low for some time. Realty agents are now ready to negotiate but were charging some exorbitant fees because of the monopoly they had on the MLS. You can sell now on the MLS for $500. Insurance is definitely up.

4) Speculative costs: During the last bubble, anyone could buy anything for no money. Totally silly situation which increased the number of buyers faster than the demand could satisfy (buying for nothing creates unlimited demand). Now that the bubble has burst we have witnessed the worst real estate crash in history. Prices appear to continue to go down as families attempt to close the gap between what they want and what they can afford.

Rich
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