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ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LIVING AND RENTALS IN THE GUADALAJARA MX AREA

 
 
Sglass
 
Reply Sun 6 Jun, 2010 08:34 pm
Thinking about moving to to Mexico. Anyone have any knowledge about the area? I am looking at some of the lake towns, artist colonies et al.

Hawaii has gotten outrageouly expensive, and believe me you can get shot by a local here in HI just like you can get shot in Mexico. The Guadalajara area has a North American (US and Canada) population of about 40,000.

The problems with the drug cartels are mostly in border towns.

Has anyone ever driven the Internation highway from Nogales to Guadalajara, it takes about 21 hours.

thanks, seaglass
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:50 am
@Sglass,
This article is from 1998, but it is a good starting point for comparing the current situation for the same categories:

http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/19980416_gaudalajara.htm

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Among the carrots on the stick: Comprehensive medical insurance can be purchased for as little as $200 a year. Property taxes are approximately $40 to $120 a year for an average home. Insurance costs on housing are low -- most homes are made of concrete forms and stucco, with virtually no need for fire insurance. Costs of some goods and services range higher -- such as for long distance service and automobile maintenance -- but food and other services are surprisingly low-cost.

The following cost of living estimates for the Guadalajara area (central subtropical Mexico near Mexico City and Puebla, both cities with multimillions in population) were obtained from Mexico Retirement and Travel Assistance fall/December 1997 issue and converted to U.S. dollars.

AUTOMOBILE

Premium gasoline: $1.69 per gallon
Wash auto: $1.87
Lubricate auto, change oil and filter: $14.82

MEDICAL AND DENTAL

Clean and X-ray teeth: $19.33
Tooth filled: $19.33
Doctor's office visit, including EKG: $40

HOUSING RENTALS

Furnished one-bedroom apartment with living room, kitchen, and bath: $275 to $300 per month
Beautiful, furnished six-room apartment (two bedrooms) in a nice neighborhood: $450 per month
Unfurnished garden-style condominium with pool (two bedrooms, two baths) in Guadalajara's best neighborhood: $550 per month
Nice, modern two-bedroom home in gated community: $600 per month

PERSONAL CARE

Women's haircut and permanent: $19.93
Men's haircut: $3.24

UTILITIES

Electricity: $9.84 per month
Propane gas for cooking: $14.90 per month
Telephone basic service: $15.90 per month
Water for drinking: $7 per month
No heating or air conditioning is required

ENTERTAINMENT

Ticket to movie theater (first-run film): $1.87 to $2.49

MAID

Basic, thorough house cleaning one day (4-5 hours) each week: $6.23 per week

LAUNDRY AND DRY CLEANER

Clothes for two people at commercial laundry (washed, dried, and folded): $8.20 per week
Dry clean trousers or skirt: $1.91

RESTAURANT/EATING OUT

Dinner at excellent restaurant: $12.45
Chicken dinner at good medium-priced restaurant: $5.75
Broiled prawn dinner in Chapala: $7.50

FOOD

The following are prices per pound for fresh meat, vegetables, and fruit, current as of September 1997: Chicken, whole: $0.62

* Bacon: $2.81
* Hamburger: $1.33
* Pork chops: $2.26
* T-bone steak: $3
* Beef fillet: $4.52
* Turkey: $1.30
* Tomatoes: $0.62
* Cucumbers: $0.14
* Potatoes: $0.16
* Cabbage: $0.10
* Broccoli: $0.31
* Strawberries: $0.79
* Oranges: $0.09
* Bananas: $0.15
* Parkay margarine (400g): $1.58
* Flour: $0.24
* Eggs (dozen): $1.08

BOTTLED DRINKS

Six-pack of beer (Corona 325 ml): $1.68
Coca-Cola ( 2-liter plastic bottle): $0.92
Milk (2 liters): $1
Fruit juice (1-liter tetra-pack carton): $1.39
Assorted soft drinks (355 ml. aluminum can): $0.34

Imported Scotch and bourbon are comparatively expensive, costing about what they do in the United States, or more. Domestic alcoholic beverages are relatively inexpensive. The best Kahlua costs $8.59 for a 946 ml. bottle. Passport Scotch (700 ml): $11.33, Don Pedro Brandy (940 ml): $8.56, Barcardi Carta Blanca Rum (680 ml): $4.15, and Smirnoffs Vodka (915 ml): $6.91. Mexico produces excellent tequila, beer, wine, and brandy.

MISCELLANEOUS

Regular grind coffee (1-lb. can): $3.72
Basic subscription cable TV: $19.30 per month
First class air-conditioned urban bus fare: $0.57
Veterinarian consultation: $10
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:56 am
@Sglass,
This 4-page article looks like a fairly balanced assessment of living in Guadalajara:

http://www.solutionsabroad.com/en/cities/guadalajara/living-in-guadalajara.html

CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 08:46 am
Seaglass,
I have a German friend who's been living in Guadalajara for 25 years.
He just called yesterday to tell my that the military raided his upscale neighborhood because of an amphetamine lab they found in one of the places.
There are shoot-outs on a daily basis and it's even difficult to go to a nice
restaurant for fear of being caught in a drug related shooting. He's always
loved Guadalajara, it certainly is a beautiful city, but the last 5 years have been
dedicated to the drug cartel and unfortunately, the city suffers tremendously
from it.

There is about an hour outside of Guadalajara a lake - Lake Chapala, and
there used to be a big community of American retirees. I don't know if it is
still the case. The area is beautiful though and the climate is better than in
Guadalajara. Look here http://www.mexico-insights.com/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 11:23 am
I quick look around the web tells be that Mexico is over, the Government can no longer keep even expat retirement areas safe. Check out Panama, this seems to be were people are bugging out to.
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Sglass
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 01:29 pm
@Butrflynet,
Thank you Butrflynet. That is great information, I have been going through it while I dodge the "I don't think you should do this", "its not a safe idea". I will be going down for a first hand look.

I was actually interested in the lake towns. I don't know how they are affected. But when you are older you need to be near a large city for hosptials and other amenities.
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Sglass
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 01:41 pm
@CalamityJane,
Oh Jane how awful. When the police did the sweep did they go from house to house?

Before I moved to Hawaii, the Boston Police set up a drug sting. And for 12 hours the sky was filled with helicopters circling the housing project across the street from me. It was bizarre. I was out on my balcony the copters were so close I could smell the pilot's breath.

Did they search your friend's house and did they mess it up?

Does your friend plan to stay there.

Blame it on Vicente Fox.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 02:26 pm
@Sglass,
No Seaglass, his house wasn't searched, but he had to let them look around
and show his passport. Since he's European , they were more careful in their
treatment towards him. He has to stay there another 3 to 4 years until his
daughter is finished with university and then he'll move to the United States.

Buttrfynts figures are from 1998, nothing compared to today.
I would not move to Mexico, regardless where.

Have you checked into Yuma or Sun City, Arizona? They have great
retirement communities there and quite reasonable too.
Sglass
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:43 pm
@CalamityJane,
Jane I have absolutely no desire to live on the mainland, let alone in a retirement community with a bunch of old people.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:47 pm
@Sglass,
PANAMA.....

Sglass probably has me on Ignore, as she is the sensitive type. Would someone kindly ask her to look into Panama?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 11:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
I spent a day in the seventies, mostly enroute, but for a bit at a yacht club at Chapala, and visited ajijic, which I gather is now a colony, but I know nothing. I've no useful info re crime except a certain new yorker article, which scared my socks off, recently.

I've considered moving to italy over the years and didn't because I couldn't finance going back and forth - but I've considered dealing with your same questions. Me, I'd not like to get into some kind of expatriate colony, the opposite of me. So I would have been alone there, miserable re my bad italian.
I could have dealt with that, but money was the problem.

If you are aiming for expatriate colonies, google them.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 12:28 am
@hawkeye10,
Sorry, hawkeye. There are people around here who keep me on ignore, too. They can do without.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 12:42 am
@roger,
You're kidding, people ignore you, Roger? Bring them to me, and I'll swat them, forsooth.
Sglass
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 12:50 am
@hawkeye10,
I do not have you on ignor hawkeye, and I did look briefly at Panama and I am intrigued. Thank you.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 02:45 am
@ossobuco,
I kid you not.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 08:52 am
@Sglass,
Well Seaglass, as one gets older and is in more need of a good healthcare
system, the United States is still your best bet. You definitely can get adequate
healthcare anywhere in South America but it is quite costly as well. At your
age, I would not even attempt to live abroad.

djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 08:56 am
@roger,
roger wrote:
I kid you not.


who said that



Twisted Evil
Sglass
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 09:08 am
@CalamityJane,
Jane I retired from Verizon with a medical package that is good anywhere in the world. Hawaii is 5,000 miles from the mainland and it is what I call a 2 and 1/2 world.

Bottom line is you make your choices and take your chances.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 06:22 pm
@djjd62,
i did
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