Why aren't we talking about "Draw Muhammad Day?" May 20th

Haha, I always thought Infra was a her. Don't know why.

Cycloptichorn

Maybe the a at the end.

Our friend, Hirsi Ali:
http://biggovernment.com/ngillespie/2010/05/19/why-were-having-an-everybody-draw-mohammed-constest-on-thursday-may-20/


"Throughout her parliamentary career, which lasted from 2003 to 2006, Hirsi Ali reaped both praise and controversy. She continued writing and speaking out in favor of free speech and the right to offend. 2004 was an especially turbulent year both privately and publicly. In May she swore off Islam and all religion. Van Gogh’s assassination made her internationally famous, and she garnered a spot on Time’s list of the 100 most influential people in the world and a European of the Year Award from the European editors of Reader’s Digest. "

I've read about her at length.

And so?

(bk, I'll never zero you down, snorts.)

http://www.theahafoundation.org/

Gosh Golly, that "separation of church and state" stuff sounds familiar... I can't quite place it.

Thanks, Osso my dear. Never imagined you would.

Also, "Zeroing me Down" or other such stuff on A2K does not bother me at all. When I start receiving death threats, yes, then I might be bothered. Eh?

Where do we submit the drawings again?

Well, most of us get over all that after the odd pains of denouncement.

On Hirsi Ali, I like her. She has her reasons, which I fully get, it's like she is quoting me. She is not the only woman I listen to.

If you're on Facebook, find and "Like" the page "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" or just post your drawing on your own Facebook page.

She is also not the only woman (or man) I listen to.

I like her, too, for standing up and saying, "Hey, this is not right." Especially because doing so is more difficult/dangerous for her than it it for me.

I see some laps are happening here. How is saying someone "will end up like Theo Van Gogh" not a threat? He's a guy who made a piece of visual art critical of Islam, and then was assassinated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

If I told someone's gay son they would end up like Matthew Sheppard, would anyone here mistake that for anything but a threat? Let's call it what it was. If it was not considered a threat, then why did Viacom pull the episode? I think Draw Muhammad day is unnecessary, but it's certainly not pre-emptive.

I see many objections to this form of protest. Some I can relate to, some I can't. My question is this. If it is so bad that people are doing this today, was it bad when Matt and Trey did it? Were Matt and Trey Assholes when they did this? I hardly think so. I think their points were pretty clear, and they had the right to make them. Ask yourself, what was the episode's message to Muslims? What was it's message to Non-Muslims? Now, what is happening?

They aren't special though. All people in a free society can do that. It seems we are arguing if we need to PROVE that we can. One argument is that we know it's legal, so we can. The other seems to be that if we are manipulated by threats of violence, then we must prove we can by defying the threat. Valid points in both.

I'll stick with what my old roommate told me, and my instincts about this situation. If Muslims value their religion, then they have to value the freedom of speech. When their freedom to practice their religion is challenged in the western world, it will be their freedom of speech that is their weapon to fight for their place at the table when they need it.

In a related story: Pakistan clamped down it's internet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052002023.html

This is another reason why the sentiment is good but the event is dumb. Cyclo is right about who the event drew in today, and because this was an event, it allowed people like that to blow in a trumpet they had no understanding how to play.

You may draw Muhammad any day, having an event was unnecessary. A women may show her legs in the USA too, and her doing so all while knowing that it offends the sensibilities of some Muslim's doesn't make her an asshole either. If a Muslim told you that women were sacred and seeing them like they are in the USA deeply offended them, what then?

What about boobquake?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201004/boob-quake-takes-iranian-cleric

Were these women assholes for their global protest? They were directly responding to Islamic religious dogma by directly defying it. How is this any different?

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Good post. You're so damned evenhanded.



I would say that the primary difference is that the ladies involved with Boobquake were doing things to themselves and their image, whereas the converse is doing something to the image of a holy figure. It carries a different weight and a different message. At the very least, some Pakistani dude who has been raised on goat milk and raw hate of the west - but isn't sure if we really are the great satan we are made out to be by the elders - isn't going to look at pictures of jiggly boobs and decide that he hates America and wants to attack it.

Cycloptichorn

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Thanks. My contribution du jour is on the official page.

Here, this post itself, is why I love A2K, and keep coming back.

Cyclo and Bill and Failures-Art do NOT agree on this topic. Yet, they keep talking... with each other.

This, my dear friends, is how we learn: By disagreeing.

If we all agreed on everything, we would not be humans. We'd be robots.

Thank you for this thread. Thank You.

Yeh, but I listen to her easily as she agrees with me. I wish her well, but I'd like to hear other voices. She seems now to be very anti, which of course I understand. But I'm more interested in the women in between.

So if it gets buried or deleted in a mass deletion along with the page with the rest of the bunch by the Facebook admins:

are you sure you are not pumping this stuff ?

Yes they did.

Look at the interview I posted on Lusatian's thread.