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Spill baby spill, slippery politics

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 09:42 am
Fossil fuel in the ocean = more fossils = more fossil fuel.

See? It practically sustains itself.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:25 am
@DrewDad,


Did you read that from PrezBO's teleprompter?

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rabel22
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:28 am
@H2O MAN,
So what would you do? More of drill baby drill? And answer my question rather than your usual BS.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:30 am
BP has agreed to a 20 billion escrow account - which is excellent news for Gulf residents.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:33 am
@rabel22,


I'll answer your BS question by telling you to ask yourself WWOD?

And no, you can't blame Bush.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:46 am

Quote:
The agreement was not final and was still being negotiated when President Obama and his top advisers met this morning with BP’s top executives and lawyers. Its preliminary terms would give BP several years to deposit the full amount into the fund so it could better manage cash flow, maintain its financial viability and not scare off investors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/us/politics/17obama.html?hp

The deal is not done...someone is jumping the gun. Also, $20 billion over many years is not acceptable...BP can slough it off at any time by putting which ever subsidiarity this is to be written under through bankruptcy. Nothing is real except the money that has been turned over to a third party, money which BP no longer controls.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:46 am
Sorry for the copy/paste without comment. I'm too ******* angry to speak.

Quote:
Newsweek
Ravi Somaiya June 11, 2010


The former vice president is usually a vociferous defender of his time in government. But not on the disaster in the gulf.

Cheney defending his record on national security at the Gerald R. Ford Foundation last year.

When the Obama administration, or the media, or just about anybody contradicts Dick Cheney's views on national security, he is far from shy about responding. But facing a firestorm of criticism over the oil spill, he's been notably silent.

More than national security, energy policy and the oil industry might be considered Cheney's real areas of expertise. He was chairman and CEO of oil-services company Halliburton between 1995 and 2000. And, of course, he worked prominently on energy policy as vice president from 2000 to 2008.

Halliburton was working on the Deepwater Horizon rig just before it blew up, opening the well and sending oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico. Some experts have speculated that the company may have been to blame for the explosion. The pro-oil atmosphere (and Cheney's continued links to Halliburton) during his vice presidency, have also come to the fore since the April 20 accident.

The criticisms center on a possible conflicts of interest and cronyism. Cheney received a $34 million payout when he left Halliburton to join George W. Bush's ticket in September 2000. But the Congressional Research Service found that he "retained ties" to the company into 2003, while in government, through "unexercised stock options and deferred salary."

In 2001 Cheney headed a team tasked with developing national energy policy. The Washington Post reported that many of those consulted were from big oil and gas companies, some also donors to the Bush campaign and the Republican Party. The task force's executive director, Andrew D. Lundquist, subsequently became a lobbyist representing companies who appeared before him—including, according to the Post, BP, Duke Energy, and the American Petroleum Institute. Critics accused the administration of cronyism, and argued that the National Energy Policy Report, issued by the White House in May 2001, was unfairly lax toward the "dirty energy" companies at the expense of renewable and sustainable alternatives.

In 2005 President Bush signed the Energy Policy Act, which retained the focus of Cheney's report, into law. It included what has become known as "the Halliburton loophole," which removed authority from the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate a potentially dangerous gas-drilling process invented by Halliburton.

These links, the fact that Cheney's former campaign press secretary Ann Womack-Colton has recently become BP's head of U.S. media relations, and the general pro-oil, anti-regulation atmosphere in the Bush years have not escaped the attention of the pundits. MSNBC's Chris Matthews highlighted the Halliburton-Cheney connection in an interview with Jay Leno on the BP spill. Frank Rich, in The New York Times, pointed out that the Interior Department degenerated into a "cesspool of corruption," under Bush and Cheney, and that the pair bequeathed Obama "a Minerals Management Service as broken as the Bush-Cheney FEMA exposed by Katrina."

His ears ringing with the cries of "Cheney's Katrina," a title many are striving to bestow on the gulf oil spill, one might expect the former VP to convene journalists for a speech, like he did in May last year at the right-wing American Enterprise Institute to talk about national security. That lengthy rebuttal was timed specially to coincide with a speech President Obama gave on the same topic—a ploy calculated to get the maximum press attention. The closest we have this time is Liz Cheney, Dick's daughter, arguing with Arianna Huffington on ABC's This Week.

We wondered why. Are the claims too substantial to refute? Is Cheney so incensed that he cannot trust himself to speak? Or, conversely, is he perhaps so sanguine about the entire issue that he doesn't feel it merits comment? We reached out to Cheney, via the American Enterprise Institute, to ask. But, perhaps unsurprisingly, there was no response by the time we posted this.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 10:50 am
@H2O MAN,
you are quite insane. Palin has no cred( she barely has a measurable IQ) and MacCain is senile. They would continue the Reagan and later the Cheneypolicy of letting the oil companies run the permit process and never learn anything from this event.
Lets look at where the MM policy of "self policing" began.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 11:01 am
@farmerman,
Be fair. You haven't given Waterboy a chance to define his terms.

By "crystal clear", I'm sure he means, "as far as you can see through sea water on a calm day in the Gulf of Mexico".

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/06/500x_102120482.jpg
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 11:01 am

Farmer is obviously and rightfully upset with Obama's performance. DooDad echo's this dissatisfaction with PrezBO.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 11:32 am
@H2O MAN,
Nope, It needed saying, Im only sorry that it took so long so it would have shut up the "WE MUST SEE OBAMA FAIL" crowd. I like the escrow idea,Ive stated frequently that industries cannot be trusted to do the right thing EVER. Ive got over 30 years experience in mining and environmental and insurance coveragetestimony to back me up.
How many water softener installation jobs have given you the hands on experience with big industrial environmental policies?.

Imagine McCains whitehouse. "Quick call Dicky Cheney, hes the author of the HAlliburton "Loophole")
realjohnboy
 
  4  
Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 12:45 pm
BP suspends dividends for the rest of the year. -BBC
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 12:47 pm
@farmerman,


Big Government cannot be trusted to do the right thing EVER.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 12:51 pm
@realjohnboy,
It's about time the shareholders take the burden for the practices of the company they own.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 12:53 pm


It's about time the voters take the burden for the practices of this president they elected.
JPB
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:03 pm
@H2O MAN,
All societies get the government they deserve. Sometimes it's by ignorance, sometimes by complicity, sometimes by laziness. Everyone who has voted (or could have and didn't) in the past 50 years shares the blame. We deserve everything we're facing right now.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I was wondering where this morell person got the idea that you are student. Your writing is too sophisticated for a student.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:08 pm
@morell,
Cloaca
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:09 pm
@H2O MAN,
Don't fret: no one here will read it either.
 

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