the human condition-sorrow

Well, yes. But there are lots of fun bits, too...if you're lucky.

yeah. Like reading cheery A2k threads. I choose happy today. Anyone on board?

"I applied my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly, I perceived that this was also folly, I perceived that this was also a chasing after wind. For in much wisdom is much grief; and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow."
Eccleslesiastes.

Interesting that that is from the Bible. I found myself in this state several years ago when I started questioning my faith and whether or not there is a God. It resulted in deep sorrow for a good bit of time, but that too passed.

I don't know why we would want to do away with grief and sorrow. I find it necessary for growth. I picture,only in my mind, a day when all the world is compassionate and kind. That will never be. It can't be. We each, individually, have to go through sorrow in order to have the wisdom that leads us, individually, to compassion.

I think that the notion that waiting for the sun to come up is sadness is an indication of depression.

The notion that the sun will never shine again is more along the lines of despair.

You can construct your life to avoid sorrow, but you will never know true love or true joy if you do.

Sorrow and sadness. If you know these, you know 80% of my life story.

I, for one, don't agree with most of the posts here.

Some random thoughts:

I choose everyday to be happy and I succeed most of the time.

Moments of sorrow and sadness are scarce in my life.

However, I feel compassion for my fellow humans suffering and going through sorrow and pain.

One doesn't need to suffer to be compassionate.

I overcame social condition to achieve better human condition.

My personal quest and thirst of absolute drive my life and suffer no compromise. At least in my inner core..

But it's only me..

I tried to answer you, Francis - but got all gumbled up.

I somewhat understand you.

Too often our sorrows are caused by things beyond our control. Illness, pain (physical and emotional), the troubles of those we love... It can be tough just to get through a day, or an hour, or sometimes even just a few minutes at a time.

Francis is right...we can control our general outlook. And I think most of us try to do that on a daily basis. But that doesn't change the fact that shitty stuff happens, and it takes a toll. With practice, we can learn not to let the little stuff bother us. But when the big things hit...well, sometimes all you can do is grit your teeth and hang on.

Hope is the key. If we have hope that our situation will not be permanent, we can get through almost anything. And even if it will be permanent, IF we can believe there will be a way to go forward in spite of it, we can learn to handle it.

Often we need others to show us the way. I will be eternally grateful to the people in my life who have pulled me through the rough times.

Hope is hard to pump when the depressesd are correct.

You're right.

And I never said it was easy.

I remember a time when the only hope a friend could give me was that at least I wouldn't go through it alone. And that....that was enough to get me through it.

I'll agree on that.

It certainly happens, quite frequently indeed, and it can be overwhelming.

I have seen horrible events happening in the lives of family and close friends.

Some of them were crushed, others survived to be stronger.

Nothing could have hinted the way they reacted.

I know. It's strange, isn't it.

Sometimes the ones you think can handle anything crumple at the first hint of bad news. And the delicate flowers turn out to be made of concrete. You never know. So it's always best to be kind.

I tend to agree with Francis, for the most part (which is very unusual)
in this case.





David

How lovely for you......

Oh, the helplessness!

I have to reconsider my positions now..