John Birch Society

I am not a communist nor am I a Communist. I strongly suggest that you would not know a Communist if one bit you on the leg. You are, however, a raging paranoid. No one needs to be a mind-reader: your constant harping on guns tells everyone all they need to know.

And there is much writing on how the current system of the US is not capitalism.

Your reply really had nothing to do with the power to subpoena.

If u read it more carefully,
then u shud reach a different conclusion.





David

It is not the laissez faire free enterprize that I 'd like to see restored.

How do u describe it ?





David

How do u describe your political philosophy ?



I used to dog-sit for one who lived next door to me in the 1940s; his name was Hasty,
but he never bit me on the leg. His owner was forever ranting about his Comrade Stalin
in the workers' paradise. I knew HIM, well enuf, despite absence of leg biting. Funny; he was a prosperous furrier.
Subsequently, I worked as a spy for HUAC.
I met enuf commies on that job; loathsome.

Additionally, I 've had some social friends, including both commies & nazis.
I won; thay lost: multiple be the chuckles!




I surmise that u have no idea what that IS, or u 'd not have attributed that to me.
I WILL admit to possibly a mild case of paranoia at the age of 8, for a few weeks,
before I took possession of a .38 caliber revolver, but not thereafter.
I have no enemies, nor does anyone follow me around,
nor does anyone watch me, nor have I ever believed that to have happened.

I used to date a paranoid chic.
She was very insistent upon telling me about her delusions
of grandeur and of persecution; hence, I 've known something about it.





David

Laissez faire is not a paradise. There would not have been a downturn of the proportions of the current crisis had the reagan administration and the two bush administrations not dismantled the protection.

With as many lobbyists as there are today, influencing the creation of laws, the US is no longer a capitalist nation. While it is an oligarchy, that is a political designation and not an economic one. I think that we have yet to create a name for the mess we have here and now.

U don 't have to like it; I prefer liberty and the economic laws of nature (supply & demand).
U can join in the ideals of Comrade Murray, who used to live next door to me, if u wish.
He believed in a planned economy in the workers' paradise.




Maybe; with the weird amalgam of collectivist ideals superimposed upon the older laissez faire capitalist
structure, its hard to know what to expect; mixing oil n water.




U allege that democracy (lobbyists) is incompatible with free enterprize ?





David

Get government and economic straight!

There is nothing worse for you or me than a lobbyist. Live in the real world.

That should be government and economics . . . political science and economics.
I get so tired of the right and their assumptions and misreadings and the danger they pose to the world.

Democracy cannot function in the absence of lobbyists,
for my interests and yours.





David

It is not our job to prevent u from getting tired.





David

That is beneath contempt

Non sequitor

If it is a non sequitur, then Y do u get so excited about it ?

You mean like this guy did?

I missed this before,
when it was new.



I 'm glad u like it.



YES!



The First Amendment, US Constitution.



WELL SAID! Hear, here!



DOWN WITH COMMUNISM!!!!! (post facto)





David

David says Sen. Joe McCarthy "is honored and respected in the mind of every good, grateful American" -- but he seems to be totally ignorant of the fact that many prominent hard-line conservatives (including J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials) recognized McCarthy as inept and harmful to the anti-communist cause.

Whittaker Chambers summed it up pretty well in his 1/14/54 letter about McCarthy to conservative book publisher Henry Regnery, when Chambers observed that....

"All of us, to one degree or another, have slowly come to question his judgment and to fear acutely that his flair for the sensational, his inaccuracies and distortions, his tendency to sacrifice the greater objective for the momentary effect, will lead him and us into trouble. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that we live in terror that Senator McCarthy will one day make some irreparable blunder which will play directly into the hands of our common enemy and discredit the whole anti-Communist effort for a long while to come."

FBI security informant Herbert Philbrick told a Boston newspaper reporter that:

"He [McCarthy] harmed the cause of anti-communism more than anybody I know."

And in 1952, Philbrick observed:

"According to the Communist leaders, McCarthy has helped them a great deal. McCarthy's kind of attacks add greatly to the confusion, putting up a smokescreen for the Party and making it more difficult than ever for people to discern who is a communist and who is not."

FBI Supervisor, Robert J. Lamphere, supervised the investigations of some of the biggest espionage cases of the cold war, including those of the Rosenbergs, Klaus Fuchs and Kim Philby plus he was intimately involved, in conjunction with Meredith Knox Gardner of the Army Security Agency, in using deciphered Soviet cables to build espionage cases.

Lamphere wrote on pages 136-137 of his 1968 book The FBI-KGB War: A Special Agent's Story that:
"Senator McCarthy's crusade which was to last for the next several years, was always anathema to me. McCarthy’s approach and tactics hurt the anti-Communist cause and turned many liberals against legitimate efforts to curtail Communist activities in the United States, particularly in regard to government employment of known Communists…McCarthy's star chamber proceedings, his lies and overstatements hurt our counterintelligence efforts."



URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-3953459

False. Welch had no connection whatsoever to the company which makes grape jelly and juice. He worked for his brother's candy company, the James O. Welch Company -- which was sold to Nabisco.

The Birch Society was rejected by virtually the entire conservative intellectual and political activist communities as inept, ignorant, and harmful. Critics included such prominent conservatives as: J. Edgar Hoover, Sen. Barry Goldwater, Sen. John Tower, Cong. Walter Judd, Russell Kirk, James Burnham, Eugene Lyons, Frank Meyer, John Chamberlain, Gen. Albert Wedemeyer, Col. William R. Kintner, Ronald Reagan, James J. Kilpatrick, William Loeb, and many others.

The FBI concluded in internal memos that the JBS was "extremist", "irrational", "irresponsible", "lunatic fringe" and "fanatics".

For a detailed report based upon first-time-released FBI files and documents, see: http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-1

David claims that the Communists hated McCarthy. Later, McCarthy's heir (the John Birch Society) claimed that Communists hated the JBS --- but both assertions are falsehoods.

As former FBI informant Herbert Philbrick pointed out in 1952:

"According to the Communist leaders, McCarthy has helped them a great deal. McCarthy's kind of attacks add greatly to the confusion, putting up a smokescreen for the Party and making it more difficult than ever for people to discern who is a communist and who is not."

And former Soviet spy Anatoli Granovsky who was a Captain of Political Intelligence in the Ministry of State Security of the Soviet Union in 1945 and 1946 and who previously was in the NKVD (Soviet Secret Police) observed in 1961 that:

"The Soviet Communists would sacrifice a thousand American Communists to save the John Birch Society, for instance. I don't mean the Birch Society is Communist-infiltrated. It doesn't have to be. By discrediting prominent Americans, it confuses the population about whom to trust. In socializing Czechoslovakia…we did everything to divide the armed forces units trained by the British and the Americans by spreading rumors about officers until they were so thoroughly discredited their men would not obey them and they had to be removed."