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John Birch Society

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 02:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

djjd62 wrote:
c'mon guys it like those jews in germany,
i mean if they'd just been christian their lives wouldn't have been ruined (insert sarcastic smiley here)
Joking or not, that 's not a fair comparison. The Jews in Germany were innocent.
Thay had done NOTHING to deserve what befell them.
Some of them had won the Iron Cross in WWI.

U cannot say the same of commies or nazis in America.
Thay woud have enslaved us or (if we were lucky) just murdered us, as thay did the Czar and his family.

I re-iterate and reaffirm what I said.

The nazis and the commies were at war with us.
War is NOT a trivial matter, as all 3 of u tacitly imply.



David

Going after and destroying the innocent based on paranoia is not trivial either.
Merry Andrew
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 02:41 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, do you have any idea what you're talking about? You keep bandying that word 'commies' around as though it actually meant something. Do you have any idea of who some of the people who were persecuted by the HUAC and Sen. McCarthy were? Among them there might actually have been a few genuine Communist sympatnizers, maybe even a Party member or two. They were the exception to the vast majority of people whose only "sin" was thinking in a liberal-minded sort of way, actually believing in the provisions of the First Amendment to the US Constituation, along with a few other of the Amendments, e.g. the Fifth. The major "crime" for which most of those folks got blacklisted was arefusal to discuss the political leanings of their friends, neighbors and co-workers.

It was the HUAC and that idiot alcoholic McCarthy that employed the methods of the Stalinist type Communists -- the very same methods that the Hitlerites had employed. The only difference was the absence of illegal arrets and/or torture on the part of the US authorities. They couldn't quite get away with that although I'm sure there were some legislatooors who would have loved to have tried.

Your villifying a man whom you did not know, plainoldme's friend, who -- for all you know -- was not guilty of anything more egregious than refusing to answer questions about someone or something that was nobody's business, is beyond contempt. The fact that you choose to be proud (your word) of this deplorable and sickeninng behavior speaks volumes about your character, David.

You are one sick puppy.
edgarblythe
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 03:35 pm
Consider Edward G Robinson, a man we all know of. As a Jew, in light of the Holocaust and WWII, he gave money to any group that asked him for money to fight Nazi-ism. He did not know most of them at all. Based on these contributions, he was smeared by McCarthy and blackballed from Hollywood. His career was destroyed for years. It was only because the makers of The Ten Commandments decided to ignore Robinson's status he was able to get new work.
Merry Andrew
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 04:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
Right, edgar. We've forgotten that the Soviet Union was our ally in WW II and that quite a few people believed that there was nothing wrong in being sympathetic to an ally. At worst they can be accused of stupidity, certainly not of somehow being hostile to the Republic.
ossobuco
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 04:23 pm
@Merry Andrew,
McCarthy and Hoover, two men whom I think of as haunting spectrals of fear mongering.
edgarblythe
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 05:38 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

McCarthy and Hoover, two men whom I think of as haunting spectrals of fear mongering.

Some of the worst among the worst.
dlowan
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 07:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

ossobuco wrote:

McCarthy and Hoover, two men whom I think of as haunting spectrals of fear mongering.

Some of the worst among the worst.


They were a truly revoltin' development.

Whoodathunk that Cheney/Bush would have happened after that warning?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 09:44 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
ossobuco wrote:

McCarthy and Hoover, two men whom I think of as haunting spectrals of fear mongering.

Some of the worst among the worst.
Maybe u 'd have preferred to live your life as a communist slave.
Thay both fought against communist slavery.
Thay are both honored and respected in the mind of every good, grateful American.
May thay live forever in Joy and Beauty.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 09:48 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
McCarthy and Hoover, two men whom I think of as haunting spectrals of fear mongering.
That is a GOOD thing. There was a lot to be afraid of, not ignored.

If there is a fire, and someone keeps quiet about it,
instead of "FEAR MONGERING" he is not doing u any favor.





David
dyslexia
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 09:52 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Thay are both honored and respected in the mind of every good, grateful American.
To the same extent as other alcoholics and cross-dressers?
edgarblythe
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 09:57 pm
@dyslexia,
Jesus, david. I don't know how to tell you this and be polite about it. Them two f'n bastards did more damage to American freedom and ideals than anybody else of their time. Stalin and Chairman Mao were their soulmates.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 09:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:

djjd62 wrote:
c'mon guys it like those jews in germany,
i mean if they'd just been christian their lives wouldn't have been ruined (insert sarcastic smiley here)
Joking or not, that 's not a fair comparison. The Jews in Germany were innocent.
Thay had done NOTHING to deserve what befell them.
Some of them had won the Iron Cross in WWI.

U cannot say the same of commies or nazis in America.
Thay woud have enslaved us or (if we were lucky) just murdered us, as thay did the Czar and his family.

I re-iterate and reaffirm what I said.

The nazis and the commies were at war with us.
War is NOT a trivial matter, as all 3 of u tacitly imply.



David

Going after and destroying the innocent based on paranoia is not trivial either.
Paranoia did not save Leon Trotsky from the NKVD.
The nazis and the commies were NOT "innocent".
Thay were dangerous.
Failure to fight against them woud have been suicidally stupid.
J. Edgar Hoover and Joe McCarthy helped in our defense.





David
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plainoldme
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 10:22 pm
@edgarblythe,
Well, I can. It is despicable. David seems to confuse himself with the Biblical David, king and God's warrior. Really! What gives him the right to insult people he has no knowledge of? McCarthy was a petty tyrant and yet David is convinced that kindly, good and intelligent people whose incomes were taken from them by that monster McCarty deserved it. How ignorant! How crass!
plainoldme
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 10:26 pm
@raprap,
I think David's post would make an apt addition to your birch john collection.
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plainoldme
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 10:34 pm
From Wiki:


In his campaign, McCarthy attacked La Follette for not enlisting during the war, although La Follette had been 46 when Pearl Harbor was bombed. He also claimed La Follette had made huge profits from his investments while he, McCarthy, had been away fighting for his country. In fact, McCarthy had invested in the stock market himself during the war, netting a profit of $42,000 in 1943. La Follette's investments consisted of partial interest in a radio station, which earned him a profit of $47,000 over two years.[16] The suggestion that La Follette had been guilty of war profiteering was deeply damaging, and McCarthy won the primary nomination 207,935 votes to 202,557. It was during this campaign that McCarthy started publicizing his war-time nickname "Tail-Gunner Joe," using the slogan, "Congress needs a tail-gunner." Arnold Beichman later reported that McCarthy "was elected to his first term in the Senate with support from the Communist-controlled United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers, CIO," which preferred McCarthy to the anti-communist Robert M. La Follette.[17] In the general election against Democratic opponent Howard J. McMurray, McCarthy won 61.2% to Democrat McMurray's 37.3%, and thus joined Senator Wiley, whom he had challenged unsuccessfully two years earlier, in the Senate.
plainoldme
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 10:41 pm
@plainoldme,
More on the destructive Senator:

He was far less well-liked among fellow senators, however, who found him quick-tempered and prone to impatience and even rage. Outside of a small circle of colleagues, he was soon an isolated figure in the Senate.[18]


In an incident for which he would be widely criticized, McCarthy lobbied for the commutation of death sentences given to a group of Waffen-SS soldiers convicted of war crimes for carrying out the 1944 Malmedy massacre of American prisoners of war. McCarthy was critical of the convictions because of allegations of torture during the interrogations that led to the German soldiers' confessions. He charged that the U.S. Army was engaged in a coverup of judicial misconduct, but never presented any evidence to support the accusation.[21] Shortly after this, a poll of the Senate press corps voted McCarthy "the worst U.S. senator" currently in office.

As McCarthy became increasingly combative towards the Eisenhower Administration, Eisenhower faced repeated calls that he confront McCarthy directly. Eisenhower refused, saying privately "nothing would please him [McCarthy] more than to get the publicity that would be generated by a public repudiation by the President."[58] On several occasions Eisenhower is reported to have said of McCarthy that he did not want to "get down in the gutter with that guy."[59]
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ossobuco
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 10:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You are a fool, david, re rights.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 10:57 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:
David, do you have any idea what you're talking about?
You keep bandying that word 'commies' around as though it actually meant something.
It does and it did. The nazis and the commies existed and were very dangerous.
Your denial thereof does not change the historical facts.





Merry Andrew wrote:
Do you have any idea of who some of the people who were persecuted by the HUAC and Sen. McCarthy were? Among them there might actually have been a few genuine Communist sympatnizers, maybe even a Party member or two. They were the exception to the vast majority of people whose only "sin" was thinking in a liberal-minded sort of way, actually believing in the provisions of the First Amendment to the US Constituation, along with a few other of the Amendments, e.g. the Fifth.
Did the NKVD check in with u to tell u who was a commie and who was not ??
What is the source of your information ?





Merry Andrew wrote:
The major "crime" for which most of those folks got blacklisted was a
refusal to discuss the political leanings of their friends, neighbors and co-workers.
Congress has BOTH the constitutional power to investigate and the war power.
Their refusal to assist Congress was "aid and comfort to the enemy".
Tho Congress did not officially declare war against the commies,
the commies silently (among themselves) declared war against us.
Congress was de facto participating in the anti-Red defensive war.
I am grateful in the extreme, for all of the help from Congress
that it rendered. Tho I was no Herbert Philbrick, I did what I coud
on behalf of HUAC, spying on commies. I assure u that thay certainly
considered themselves to be commies in conversation among themselves,
and thay left no doubt which side thay were on.





Merry Andrew wrote:
It was the HUAC and that idiot alcoholic McCarthy that employed the
methods of the Stalinist type Communists -- the very same methods
that the Hitlerites had employed.
That was WAR and fought to be won.
Fortunately, thay knew enuf to take war seriously,
not in the light-hearted spirit of a game.
The nazis and the commies woud have enslaved us if thay had the chance.
We know that, from observation of what thay DID when thay were able to.
Your defense of the communist slavemasters and their lackeys is shameful, Andy.





Merry Andrew wrote:
The only difference was the absence of illegal arrets and/or torture on the part of the US authorities.
They couldn't quite get away with that although I'm sure there were
some legislatooors who would have loved to have tried.
U mean Abraham Lincoln? He did it successfully,
wherever he felt like in America (not the "torture").



Merry Andrew wrote:
Your villifying a man whom you did not know, plainoldme's friend,
I' ll stand by what I said, but I did not vilify him, for lack of sufficient information.
He shoud have helped. He shoud have offered his assistance.
That woud have been the honorable, decent thing to do.
From Plain 's post, I infer that he was passive-aggressively in favor of the commies,
and he was dealt with accordingly. The commies woud have
done a lot worse than disbar him.
When I applied for admission to the Bar, I was examined as to character.
He lacked the character to help in the war against communism, or he was on the other side.






Merry Andrew wrote:
who -- for all you know -- was not guilty of anything more egregious than refusing to answer questions about someone or something that was nobody's business, is beyond contempt. The fact that you choose to be proud (your word) of this deplorable and sickeninng behavior speaks volumes about your character, David.
Your defense of the commies likewise tells us of your absence of character, Andy.
The commies and nazis are dead; no further threat, but if I had to spy on them again in the future,
and if I were able to do it, I 'd consider it my moral duty
and I 'd do it as conscientiously as I possibly coud; a labor of love.





David
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plainoldme
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 11:00 pm
It might be interesting to write an alternate history of the US with McCarthy's role reversed. Rather than having failed in his efforts to denigrate people and link them with Communism, the plot would involve McCarthy having succeeded to turn America into a kind of Western gulag.
ossobuco
 
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Sat 3 Apr, 2010 11:03 pm
@plainoldme,
I don't like that either..
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