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Muslums can opt out of Obama Care?

 
 
Buffalo
 
Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 06:53 am
I just heard on the radio that Muslums will have the option to "opt out" of Obama Care without penalty.... WHAT!? How is it right to force MANY people into a program they don't want, but let others opt out?
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 07:03 am
@Buffalo,
Jeepers, think the fact that it's April first has anything to do with that news story?
ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 07:33 am
@Buffalo,
We all know Muslims are socialists. Why would they want to opt out of Obama Care?
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 07:44 am
@jespah,
It's in the bill. An exclusion for any group that objects and 'where that conscientious objection arises from religion'.

Insurance is haraam in Islam.

Same for the Amish. They prefer to insure from within.

ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 08:09 am
Why do you have to put the word "Muslim" in the title of this thread?

If the story is true-- it would include the Amish, and Indigenous religions as well.

Don't you hate the Amish?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 08:11 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
Why do you have to put the word "Muslim" in the title of this thread?

Technically, he didn't.

Kinda tells you all you need to know, doesn't it?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 08:15 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

We all know Muslims are socialists. Why would they want to opt out of Obama Care?

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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 09:55 am
@Irishk,
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In this regards, al-Zarka adds, that if a mutual or cooperative insurance exists he prefers it to profit motivated insurance out of his respect to the opinion of opponents. There is an old argument (from the 1950s), even by those who oppose insurance, that whenever insurance is forced by law, one must do it and one is excused, from the Shari'ah point of view. This include car insurance, social security, workman compensation, and employer's imposed insurance if it is not optional for the employee to this we add another element that if the insurance provided by the employer is paid completely from the employer, i.e., given as a fringe benefit without deducting any part of the premium from the pay checks, then it is a kind of grant from the employer and if a hazard happens the paid policy amount is halal because it is an outcome of the grant.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 12:47 pm
@Buffalo,
Buffalo wrote:

I just heard on the radio that Muslums will have the option to "opt out" of Obama Care without penalty.... WHAT!? How is it right to force MANY people into a program they don't want, but let others opt out?


Seems about as right as insisting that employers allow Christian medical providers and pharmacists to opt out of participating in some medical procedures and services due to their religious beliefs.
Irishk
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 01:05 pm
Health insurance is haraam. Doesn't mean all Muslims will choose to opt out, but if they object due to their religion, they can.

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/113924/insura
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 04:14 pm
@Butrflynet,
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Seems about as right as insisting that employers allow Christian medical providers and pharmacists to opt out of participating in some medical procedures and services due to their religious beliefs.


Butrflynet nails it.
It always strikes me as odd how certain groups in this nation see themselves as exceptional and then are totally appalled when another group with similar underpinnings seeks to claim the same exception.
Actual conversation with an ex-coworker.

"Now the two of them want off for the Muslim Eid. It's like three days next week."
"Don't you take off all of Easter weekend?"
(short pause)
"Oh....you know that's different!!"


Joe(Oh, yeah. Way.)Nation
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