True. I wouldn't do the job if I was expected to rely on the generosity of my clients to throw me a few bucks here and there. I am not the type of person to do a job on commissions either. Don't like the uncertainty of not knowing how much money I am going to make in a week. Not for me.
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Heeven
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Wed 10 Mar, 2010 03:42 pm
@Sglass,
Okay now, that made me laugh out loud. Very funny!
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OmSigDAVID
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Wed 10 Mar, 2010 04:32 pm
Most of the time, I just pay 20% of the net pre-tax,
for ordinary service, or nothing for troublesome service,
with a mental note against returning, for defensive purposes.
When I like the waitress, the cap comes off the tip.
Cute young college girl types have done well with me, like 300% of the net
in good places. I remember one in an Italian restaurant, with a Scotch accent.
She said that she born in Queens (where I was born, that she did not know)
and that it was her 2nd nite on-the-job.
I gave her a $100 bill @ time she brought me a glass of wine. Fun.
If she was working me: I don 't care. I give cute chicks free passes.
I have called over waitresses who were not mine
and told them that thay won the contest. When asked,
I tell them "the most beautiful girl around here contest," whose prize is a $100 bill. Kinda fun.
Its a legitimate prize, in that I really give it to the most beautiful girl around there.
David
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Mame
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Wed 10 Mar, 2010 04:57 pm
We've had this debate/discussion before and I think I got really slammed by a few because I don't like the tipping either. I was called cheap, among other things, and I don't think I'm cheap at all. But as Phoenix (I think it was) said, that's the culture we live in, so we feel compelled to abide by it. And I do abide by it.
I don't accept arguments like they're underpaid, etc. Who cares? Get a better job. Not to mention that there are pleny of other 'underpaid' positions where tipping is not even an option (gas jockeys, retail salespeople, etc), so why only a few certain groups get tipped is beyond me.
You get your salary for doing your job - tips should be optional - even in our culture where they're not considered optional, the percentage IS. I don't think tips should be offered as a reward or an incentive - I think they should be outlawed. I particularly hate the enforced gratituity you find in some restaurants - I won't even go there.
I worked as a server and as a prep cook, so I know what kind of situation they're in, but many, many other jobs require more effort, talent, attention, whatnot, than servers, and they are not acknowledged by tips.
I'd just really like to know why we tip cabbies, hairdressers, porters, chambermaids, and servers... why them and not others??
but many, many other jobs require more effort, talent, attention, whatnot, than servers, and they are not acknowledged by tips.
I'd just really like to know why we tip cabbies, hairdressers, porters, chambermaids, and servers... why them and not others??
next we may have to tip the tax collector for doing an effective/efficient job .
" employees " should be paid by their employer for doing the job they were hired to do !
( don't see anything wrong with " rounding up " ... but tipping in the 21st century ? )
i remember a resort in the catskills - grossinger's - where guests were handed a " tipping card/chart " and an explanation :
TIPS = to Insure prompt service - dumb idea - imo ONLY !
So, we tip servers because they aren't subject to minimum wage laws (in the US). Someone on a previous page suggests we up the ante a bit because they are sometimes expected to split with bussers and cooks, and whatever. So much for that logic.
TIPS = to Insure prompt service - dumb idea - imo ONLY !
Not just IYO - mine, too.
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Mame
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Wed 10 Mar, 2010 05:50 pm
@roger,
Yeah, why aren't they subject to the minimum wage laws in the US? That's always confounded me.
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Robert Gentel
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Wed 10 Mar, 2010 05:57 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
I'd just really like to know why we tip cabbies, hairdressers, porters, chambermaids, and servers... why them and not others??
The ones that makes the least sense is a poker dealer and other casino workers. They dealers often get tips of $1 to $20 per hand they deal. They can easily deal over 40 hands an hour and are often the only person at the table beating the game.
Then if you actually do beat the casino they put a tip jar at the cashier. I remember cashing out my last $2,000 in chips after loosing nearly $10k that day and having a cashier shake the tip jar at me and give me a dirty look while muttering something about a "big lucky day". It was like adding insult to one of the worst days at a casino I'd ever had in my life and I wanted to smack him. He doesn't give money to people when they lose in a casino and that is much more common than them winning so why should he get uppity about not getting a tip for changing chips for money?
Casino tipping is the absolute worst of the worst! They make a big production about getting a tip from their clients when they win (e.g. the floorman in a poker tournament will ask for tips on behalf of the dealers), and spend the rest of the time making sure they lose. Those guys treat tipping like an extra way to fleece their customers.
It's even worse outside the US, where the casinos will often take the tips from the dealers and require that they generate a certain amount of them or they will be fired. So the dealers start double raking the pots and stealing it from the players to meet their quotas.
I once made a big (for that table) tip of $25 after a hand and the dealer threw it back to me quickly because she didn't want my money going to that scam. After she explained it to me stopped tipping during the game and would just tip the dealers outside of the casino instead.
Casino tipping is the worst! They get you with bad luck and then demand tips for the good luck. When I started doing it for a living I realized that makes it a completely unbeatable game. It's one thing when I'm having fun and win and tip, but I realized that tipping dealers can easily kill my edge if I'm grinding it out on the cash tables for a living. So wrong. It kills the game.
In the 1980s, I went to Macau
because there were no legal casinos in Hong Kong.
Macau was a nasty, dusty place.
I discovered that in the casinos,
there is (or was) a 10% service charge
that was deducted from the larger pots,
with no discussion with u.
I was winning at roulette,
but was fun to get the hell out of there.
I love Las Vegas.
David
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Reyn
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Wed 10 Mar, 2010 09:30 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
Not to mention that there are pleny of other 'underpaid' positions where tipping is not even an option (gas jockeys, retail salespeople, etc), so why only a few certain groups get tipped is beyond me.
Bingo, that's always my argument against tipping as well. I think tipping is the most daft thing ever thought of.
I've worked service jobs and never got tipped, so why the group you mentioned?
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hawkeye10
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Thu 11 Mar, 2010 12:03 am
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Entry level positions, such as hosts, waiters, and food servers, have the lowest salaries of any Applebee's employees. The average pay for a waiter at Applebee's is approximately $2-3 per hour (minimum wage in many states), meaning that in order to make a decent living as a waiter or waitress at Applebee's, you will have to rely largely on tips. For a busy restaurant, this shouldn't be difficult. Most waiters and waitresses report earning between five and six hundred dollars per week with tips. This averages out to anywhere between twenty-one thousand to twenty-six thousand dollars per year as a waiter.
Feeling sorry for waiters is a misappropriation of sympathy. They make a lot more money per hour than the bleeding heart a2k'er in this thread know. Most live very well on 25-30 hours a week.
