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Our pet troll, Ivan

 
 
George
 
Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:30 am
You know, the guy who logs in under a different name each time and spews
Russian proganda while pretending to be American, Ukrainian, Swedish, or
whatever suits his purpose. He's so transparent, he's funny.

But I'm wondering, do his posts constitute spam? And are they being deleted
whenever they are identified?
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:39 am
@George,
George wrote:

You know, the guy who logs in under a different name each time and spews
Russian proganda while pretending to be American, Ukrainian, Swedish, or
whatever suits his purpose. He's so transparent, he's funny.

But I'm wondering, do his posts constitute spam? And are they being deleted
whenever they are identified?


I don't think so, they just fall off b/c people get bored with them.

Cycloptichorn
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:41 am
he/she/it had a little trouble with the tymeshenko threads this morning
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:43 am
@George,
Isn't all political propaganda spam?
Actually, I think he's sincere in his political belief, it just happens to be not
the mainstream what we would consider acceptable politics. The Ukraine is
split almost 50/50 where the pro Russian leader, Viktor Yanukovych claims
victory over pro-Eropean Yulia Tymoshenko, who demands a recount. The country is torn and is looking for support outside their borders.

We remember the Al Gore/George Bush election and the hoopla thereafter.

This isn't any different, just not as interesting to the outside world (Ukraine)
as the U.S. election was when Gore/Bush run.

Then again, it might be Ramafuchs coming back! Smile
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:44 am
@George,
Generally, "spam" is defined as both "unsolicited" and "commercial". So I don't think Ivan qualifies.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:57 am
@George,
George wrote:
But I'm wondering, do his posts constitute spam? And are they being deleted
whenever they are identified?


Yes, and we should have started long ago, before the sock puppetry got to crazy levels (hundreds of accounts/threads, whole tags dominated by their posts).
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:59 am
@DrewDad,
On forums, a lot of times various kinds of "flooding" or any disruptive, repetitive posting, whether or not it's commercial, is considered spam.

But whatever it is called, that kind of sock puppetry has to be removed when encountered.
George
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 12:01 pm
@Robert Gentel,
sock puppetry
Ha! I like that.
oolongteasup
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:35 pm
@George,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg/180px-Internet_dog.jpg

on the internet nobody knows your a dog

peter steiner's cartoon
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:43 pm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg/180px-Internet_dog.jpg

Hey, I've learned how to do this!!!
oolongteasup
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:54 pm
@Merry Andrew,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg/180px-Internet_dog.jpg

woof
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:56 pm
@oolongteasup,
oolongteasup wrote:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg/180px-Internet_dog.jpg

on the internet nobody knows your a dog

peter steiner's cartoon

Good. My secret's safe! http://i50.tinypic.com/1z5j5g2.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 08:25 pm
Once I caught on to the pattern, I alway just delete and never tag, me an semi-inveterate tagger. Took me a while, as I'm interested in international issues.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 05:45 am
@CalamityJane,
I don't think you've been paying attention to the pattern of the posts of this clown over a period of several years--perhaps as many as five years now. I have taken to tagging the threads Russian propaganda, because that is what they are. The obsessive focus for quite a while was Georgia. Now that Russians have successfully undermined the national sovereignty of Georgia, this joker has moved on.

I have opined in the past that the clown is an FSB agent. In one respect, i find it hilarious, because if so, the FSB is paying this guy to disseminate disinformation, and the effect is not as intended. His English is so bad, that nobody here is fooled by him, especially when he starts talking about "we" and attempting to inferentially suggest that he lives in the United States. But it is entirely possible that this guy and his masters take his efforts very seriously. In that, they are deluded. Most Americans very likely don't give a rat's ass about the Ukraine. And, of course, no American is gonna think this guy is an American.

But the notion that this joker is sincere is naive at best.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 09:06 pm
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:
Isn't all political propaganda spam?
Actually, I think he's sincere in his political belief, it just happens to be not
the mainstream what we would consider acceptable politics.


This is actually a good question and largely why they got away with it for so long. We aren't going to delete based on what is and is not propaganda. We are deleting based on a patter of sock puppet activity combined with political astroturfing.

They are using automated means of posting from different accounts (sometimes in a patter of username1 then username10) from different IP addresses in order to generate huge amounts of topics (in the hundreds) and at some point we need to defend ourselves against that. Whole tags were dominated by their posts and burying real discussion.

So we aren't about to start political censorship or trying to define propaganda we find unacceptable, and even trying to define intent or sincerity and we also aren't going to go nuts if someone has more than one account. But when we get such volumes of astroturfing we are going to remove it. We aren't here to be a platform for that kind of thing and it was just ridiculous how many of these posts they were allowed to make on a2k (under policy I was responsible for).
oolongteasup
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 09:28 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
we also aren't going to go nuts if someone has more than one account


collective sighs of relief hugely

on with the propagandimpropaganda
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