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MORE GUNS = MORE SAFETY SAYS TEXAS GOVERNOR

 
 
Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 06:17 pm
GOVERNOR PERRY: Texas gun rights approach makes state safer

By APRIL CASTRO Associated Press Writer © 2010 The Associated Press
Jan. 22, 2010, 6:55PM


AUSTIN, Texas " Gov. Rick Perry said Friday that Texans should not be subject
to more government intervention and security measures after a gunman opened
fire at an entry to the Texas Capitol and that the state's "enlightened" approach to gun rights helps
to keep citizens safe.

"In Texas, criminals have to think twice before they draw a gun because
there's a good chance they're going to be outnumbered,"
Perry said,
as he accepted the campaign endorsement of the Texas State Rifle Association
and the National Rifle Association. "The fact of the matter is, that keeps us all safer."

The endorsement for Perry's re-election campaign came a day after a man
who fired several shots outside the Texas Capitol was tackled by police
while trying to reload his handgun, according to court records.
Fausto Cardenas, who Perry said does not hold a concealed handgun license,
remained in Travis County jail Friday on a felony charge of deadly conduct.
Bond is set at $250,000.

Perry was not in his Capitol office at the time of the shooting.

Perry suggested he would not support placing metal detectors at Capitol entry points.

"I'm always up for looking at new ways to protect our citizens, but the last thing
I want is the Texas Capitol to turn into DFW airport," he said when asked about metal detectors.

He praised the NRA for "establishing and maintaining sensible regulations for gun ownership."

Perry, who said he is registered to carry a concealed handgun,
is facing a tough re-election challenge from U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in the March 2 primary.

The NRA also commended Hutchison for her support of gun rights.

"It is the policy of the National Rifle Association to always endorse the incumbent
unless something has happened that is so egregious that you are not going to do that,"
said NRA board member Susan Howard-Chrane
 
ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 06:33 pm
Texas murder rate: 5.9 murders per 100,000 residents.
Massachusetts murder rate: 2.9 murders per 100,000 residents.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0297.pdf

Any questions?

(I would be happy to compare the rape, or aggravated assault numbers with you if you would like... or you could do it yourself).


rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:29 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
Texas murder rate: 5.9 murders per 100,000 residents.
Massachusetts murder rate: 2.9 murders per 100,000 residents.

Yeh, but I think Texas has a higher proportion of Christian Fundamentalists in the population than Massachusetts does. Maybe the murder rate has more to do with the number of crazy people than the number of guns. Wink
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:32 pm
Invincible ignorance means just what it says. No evidence which you can offer will change this joker's mind. He hasn't looked at the evidence and come to a conclusion--he has started with his conclusion, and is just looking for justifications. That he has sunk to trumpeting the opinion of the conservative stooge who is currently the governor of Texas is ample evidence of the poverty of his rationalizations . . .
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:33 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

"In Texas, criminals have to think twice before they draw a gun because
there's a good chance they're going to be outnumbered,"
Perry said,
as he accepted the campaign endorsement of the Texas State Rifle Association
and the National Rifle Association. "The fact of the matter is, that keeps us all safer."

Perry is assuming that the number of crimes which are deterred by guns isn't outweighed by the number of accidental shooting as a result of those same guns. I suspect he's better at slogans than statistics.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:36 pm
Texas: more crazy people and easier access to lethal weapons.

Did anyone notice that the cops were very lucky NOT to have had any other gun-toting Texans to deal with during the apprehension of the perpetrator.

Oh yeah, several people firing at each other.....yeah.

Joe(Mr. Perry thinks that would be better?)Nation
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:38 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Texas murder rate: 5.9 murders per 100,000 residents.
Massachusetts murder rate: 2.9 murders per 100,000 residents.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0297.pdf

Any questions?
I have a question:
If u were a robber, woud u want your victims
and witnesses to be helplessly UNarmed,
or
woud u prefer to try to rob well armed victims
in the presence of well armed witnesses ?

That 's my question.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:40 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

"In Texas, criminals have to think twice before they draw a gun because
there's a good chance they're going to be outnumbered,"
Perry said,
as he accepted the campaign endorsement of the Texas State Rifle Association
and the National Rifle Association. "The fact of the matter is, that keeps us all safer."

Perry is assuming that the number of crimes which are deterred by guns isn't outweighed by
the number of accidental shooting as a result of those same guns. I suspect he's better at slogans than statistics.

According to the National Safety Council,
u r more likely to die from drowning that from accidental gunfire.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:41 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
He hasn't looked at the evidence and come to a conclusion--he has started with his conclusion, and is just looking for justifications.

Exactly like a fundamentalist.
Irishk
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:41 pm
@ebrown p,
DC 30.8 must be all those fundamentalists LOL.
Michigan 6.7
Illinois 5.9
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
That wuld depend on whether I was a gun thief. (It wuld be very hard to steal the guns of unarmed people).
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
According to the National Safety Council,
u r more likely to die from drowning that from accidental gunfire.

Irrelevant when comparing the relationship between armed individuals and homicide deterrence versus accidental shootings. You and Perry need to produce data which shows that the overall safety of the population is increased by increasing the number of armed individuals. Slogans buy votes, not validity.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:50 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:

Texas: more crazy people and easier access to lethal weapons.

Did anyone notice that the cops were very lucky NOT to have had any other gun-toting Texans
to deal with during the apprehension of the perpetrator.

Oh yeah, several people firing at each other.....yeah.

Joe(Mr. Perry thinks that would be better?)Nation
Since the founding of Colonial America
until now, I don 't believe that we have EVER had
a situation wherein armed victims actively defending themselves
have EVER started shooting at one another.

It has NEVER been hard to tell the fox from the chickens,
so far as I am aware. If that had ever happened, the supporters
of victim disarmament woud have never let us hear the end of it
.

That woud have become better known than 9/11.





David
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:51 pm
@rosborne979,
Oh, no doubt . . . it's a religion for him . . . you may as well go tell a Babdist they ain't no Jeebus . . .
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 07:56 pm
@rosborne979,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
According to the National Safety Council,
u r more likely to die from drowning that from accidental gunfire.

rosborne979 wrote:
Irrelevant when comparing the relationship between armed individuals
and homicide deterrence versus accidental shootings.
If it is "irrelevant" then Y did u bring it up in Post: # 3,886,665 ??
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 08:00 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
That wuld depend on whether I was a gun thief.
(It wuld be very hard to steal the guns of unarmed people).
I think u r implying that for some reason, thay woud not KILL u, right ??


Y do u have a GREEN HAND next to your name ?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 08:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Drowning is irrelevant.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 08:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:

Texas: more crazy people and easier access to lethal weapons.

Did anyone notice that the cops were very lucky NOT to have had any other gun-toting Texans
to deal with during the apprehension of the perpetrator.

Oh yeah, several people firing at each other.....yeah.

Joe(Mr. Perry thinks that would be better?)Nation
Since the founding of Colonial America
until now, I don 't believe that we have EVER had
a situation wherein armed victims actively defending themselves
have EVER started shooting at one another.

It has NEVER been hard to tell the fox from the chickens,
so far as I am aware. If that had ever happened, the supporters
of victim disarmament woud have never let us hear the end of it
.

That woud have become better known than 9/11.





David
If u think about it,
its kinda funny: how ofen do robbery victims
give their cash to the rong guy (one of the other victims)
because thay can 't figure out which one the robber is ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 08:32 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
Drowning is irrelevant.
No; u r not thinking.
Drowning (your chances of, in a given year) show perspective,
qua your chances of death from accidental gunfire.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 08:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

ebrown p wrote:

Texas murder rate: 5.9 murders per 100,000 residents.
Massachusetts murder rate: 2.9 murders per 100,000 residents.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0297.pdf

Any questions?
I have a question:
If u were a robber, woud u want your victims
and witnesses to be helplessly UNarmed,
or
woud u prefer to try to rob well armed victims
in the presence of well armed witnesses ?

That 's my question.





David


Texas - 169 robberies per 100,000
Mass - 132 robberies per 100,000

Florida - 209
Nevada - 270

It seems the answer is simple. Robbers prefer their victims to be armed.
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