Re: Ticomaya (Post 3882945)
Never mind, rabbit. I went back and reread this thread to see if I could find the source of msolga's outrage. It is, evidently, primarily the two links provided by RG, one of Limbaugh and one of Beck.
The "source of my outrage", as you put it, is that a humanitarian catastrophe so far involving at least 70,000 deaths in Haiti could be used
for internal politic davantage by (what appears to be) a handful of far right media commentators, plus some posters to this forum. There have been two major threads (plus others) on this forum about the situation in Haiti. (a link to the other was supplied to you yesterday):
I have been involved in both threads. If you have any specific questions about any particular comments I have made, feel free to ask. But a question to you, Ticomaya. In response to Deb's question to you yesterday:
I think you missed everything.What do you think of these disgusting comments by the far right?
Which "disgusting" comments by whom?
To make it easier for you, I'm asking where do you
stand on the Limbaugh & Beck videos
actually posted to this thread? What is your view on what they actually said
? You seem very keen on clarification from me. Now I'm asking for some from you.
Evidently she's "stopped dead in her tracks" with the thought that anyone would dare be critical of the US president during this time of tragedy. Those must be the "disgusting comments" of which you speak. Perhaps she's insulated enough from US politics to believe that the "far left" would never have taken shots at President Bush during a time of tragedy.
You honestly think that my primary interest in this subject is US politics? That anyone would "dare to criticize Obama"? You are way
off the mark here. That may be your
focus, it certainly isn't mine
. Which is the role of the media in forming public opinion in response to the crisis in Haiti :
You know, it is hard, from a distance, to know how much impact the material I've seen here might actually have had on people's opinions in the US. How many actually see the Glenn Becks & others of his ilk on other media outlets on a regular basis. How many other television broadcasters, newspapers, radio stations support such views. Maybe they are just an extreme fringe that no one much pays any attention to? Maybe the handful conservatives here who have pushed such a strong anti-aid to Haiti line over the past few days are the only ones who have been influenced? I don't know. My understanding (perhaps wrongly) is that the far right of US politics has run an anti-aid (to Haiti) line, as part of an anti-Obama line. That (if it is true) is what I find deeply offensive & opportunistic. I don't really think it matters if those views are aired primarily on Fox, or on a variety of media outlets. It is the message that offends. But, if I've got my wires totally crossed about this, please feel free to tell me so. I'm listening.
Whether you choose accept it or not, this
what I have been most interested in on this thread. I've found the posts from Robert & Setanta, in particular, very helpful & illuminating in gaining a better understanding.
I thought she believed some were suggesting we should not have sent aid to Haiti, which is what I wanted clarification on
But there there were
such suggestions, definitely reservations ... say nothing of comments that there should be "strings attached" ! On the two main Haiti threads (plus others) Here's a random sample from a quick search just now:
Haiti did not become deforested, obscenely corrupt, without government, and mired in grinding poverty by bad luck. Nor by being abused by the rest of us. They did it to themselves, and they can undo it to themselves, with our help if they should want it.
OUR AID WOUD BE WELCOME
IF WE KEPT IT IN AMERICA, WHERE IT BELONGS !
The media has stirred the hearts of many. But, let us see if the U.S. ultimately benefits from its largesse with a military base in Haiti, and an eager source of military recruits. Not that that would be bad. In my opinion, that would be good. Fair trade is not thievery.
I could spend hours combing over all threads on this subject to supply you with every single example, but frankly, I have neither the time nor the inclination. You can do that for yourself, if you like. In any case, I remain perplexed at these sorts of comments in response to a humanitarian crisis of huge proportions.
Finally, Ticomaya, where do you
stand on the issue of US aid to Haiti? Are you supportive? Do you have reservations? If so, what are your reservations?