twyvel wrote:When I say altruism is relative I mean the basic concept is shared but interpreted differently in terms of how it's applied and what it is applied to. Unless you're a solipsist it is recognized that there has to be some common ground, and objective ground, in order for us to coexist. If there were zero agreement on what altruism was there would be no communication.
So far, so good.
twyvel wrote:If the understanding of altruism in it's most basic form is a, "willingness to do things which benefit other people, even if it results in disadvantage for yourself", and it is not agreed upon then where is the agreement? Where is the common ground? Is there an agreement on a common definition?
Here's where you go very seriously wrong,
twyvel. You want to start with a universal agreement before examining the concept. But that's the exact reverse of what we have to do. We need, instead, to examine the concept
as a means to arriving at a universal agreement.
Until we reach a universal consensus, however, we can still talk intelligibly about the concept. Granted, much of the discussion will inevitably be on a definitional level, but that's how universal consensuses are reached.
On the other hand, if you merely object to the initial phrasing of the question ("does genuine altruism exist?") because it presupposes a notion of "altruism," then that problem is easily remedied. We can always adopt a "working definition" of a concept, even if we eventually decide to reject the definition. Approach the topic, then, in this fashion: "is there such a thing that is commonly referred to as 'altruism?'"
twyvel wrote:The question is can X and Y be
Yes, X and/or Y can be mistaken. And the "we" who determine this are the "we" (or "they") who are correct. The question, then, becomes how do we determine who the "we" (or "they") are.
If you're saying that there is, on many occasions, no "right" because there's no consensus, then I'd say you are mistaken. If you're saying that all "opinions" are equally valid, then I'd say you are sadly mistaken.
What is that meaning?