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Patriotism: Trash or Treasure?

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 08:33 pm
The students at Kent State were appeasing Hitler?
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 09:13 pm
That was a cute little remark Edgar---- appeasment leads to war and in this case it just started with Hitler and then on to Stalin. In a sense we stopped appeasing the communists and Stalin by going into Vietnam in the attempt at stopping the spread of communism.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 09:19 pm
He he. Very funny, perception.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:13 pm
perception wrote:
appeasment leads to war and in this case it just started with Hitler and then on to Stalin.


Could you please explain this in some words?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:20 pm
I think we're alone here, Walter. If you're still here at all. Can we do something to get this thread back on topic? What was the topic, btw?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:25 pm
Lola

May I invite you to join me with some croissants, English marmelade and a fresh coffee?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:27 pm
Sounds lovely.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:30 pm
Well, I'm having it now :wink: (And read 'The Patriot', my local paper Laughing
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:35 pm
You know, I lived in German once, briefly......for about a year in the 1960s. I made some very good friends there. So I'll just step through this little door here in the side of the set and join you there at home for toast and coffee.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 11:48 pm
Walter..........did you fall asleep on me, man? Oh well, I have to beddy-by myself. I was trying to get a copy of your paper, Der Patriot.........but I kept getting error messages......too bad too. They offer a translation, but then.............nothing. I'm so disappointed. Good night. In the morning, we'll discuss patriotism again.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 12:10 am
Lola

Can't get to the site either, but ww.derpatriot.de or ww.derpatriot.com should be correct.

And, NO, I didn't fall asleep on you - was just reading the latest exciting local news ( fun fair here in town is abig success, Army musical band played in the theatre, sheeps killed by an express train in my hometown ....)
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 12:45 am
OK, so I didn't go to bed yet either........... Where is Lippstadt? Is it Southern or Northern?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 12:52 am
Walter,

Oh dear....this time it's for real......eyes closing......thanks for the coffee and goodies...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...oh dear, let me climb back through this door, tight squeeze.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 01:58 am
BANG!!!!

Damn squatters....
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 05:27 am
Well, i'm asquattin' here, an' i ain'ta gonna leave . . .

Back to topic. Perception, with that silly nonsense about stifling dissent, is ignoring that it is precisely because others to not see the situation as being critical enough to authorize extraordinary measures that there is such dissent. Dissent should never be silenced, and our first amendment is a recognition of this, among other things. That argument is the "love it or leave it" variety of hateful "patriotism." In the specific case of the United States, it is a particularly virulent form of warped patriotism, because it goes against everything about freedom which Americans boast of. Little wonder the rest of the world finds us to be monumental hypocrits. Little wonder the rest of the world has come to fear the reckless, autocratic foreign policy of the crooks in the white house.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 05:53 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
sheeps killed by an express train in my hometown ....)


that is SO sad!! Oyyoyyoy, what is the world coming too, people!
<sigh>. :wink:

Les' hope they were having a nice (day)dream when they ambled upon the railway tracks ...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 05:58 am
Walter, a word such as "sheeps" does not exist in English. Sheep is singular and plural. If they thought of themselves as sheeps, they deserved to die for their linguistic crime.

Now, a fun fair is an idea i can get behind. Might even perk it up with some roast mutton, given the opportunity provided by the local railway . . .
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 06:05 am
By perception's logic, them guys dumping tea in Boston harbor ought to have been suppressed or at least called unfaithful by the 'good' citizens.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 06:27 am
I believe they were....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 06:29 am
As for those damned Abolitionists.....or women's suffragists....or Civil Rights activists....
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