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Flight 1549 praise is being over done.

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2009 10:28 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet here is a real real hero not a blown up one for the benefit of ratings on news shows. After reading this you can once more tell me how a man doing his job well and by so doing saving his own life also can compare to Mr. Arland.
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“He was about 50 years old, one of half a dozen survivors clinging to twisted wreckage bobbing in the icy Potomac when the first helicopter arrived. To the copter's two-man Park Police crew he seemed the most alert. Life vests were dropped, then a flotation ball. The man passed them to the others. On two occasions, the crew recalled last night, he handed away a life line from the hovering machine that could have dragged him to safety. The helicopter crew who rescued five people, the only persons who survived from the jetliner, lifted a woman to the riverbank, then dragged three more persons across the ice to safety. Then the life line saved a woman who was trying to swim away from the sinking wreckage and the helicopter pilot, Donald W. Usher, returned to the scene but the man was gone.”

Arland’s acts of courage and heroism was summed up in the words of a clergyman,

“His heroism was not rash. Aware that his own strength was fading, he deliberately handed hope to someone else, and he did so repeatedly. On that cold and tragic day, Arland D. Willams Jr. exemplified one the best attributes of human nature, specifically that some people are capable of doing “anything” for total strangers.”





Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2009 11:28 pm
@BillRM,
Rather than repeat myself, Bill, you can just review what I've already written in various posts on this thread.

You have a need to be right.

I'll go this far for you. You've convinced me that you have a need to be right. So, for you and your own personal view of the world you live in, you are right. I have no need to convince you otherwise once I've explained my disagreement with your personal view.

Regarding your example hero, Mr. Arland, Doreen Welsh, the flight attendant that was in the back of flight 1549 also performed similar heroics. Whilr she thought she wouldn't make it out of the sinking plane alive, she was pushing others out ahead of her and over seats so they'd have a chance to make it out, oblivious to the large gash on her leg that was causing her to lose a lot of blood. She too is a hero in my personal view of my world.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2009 11:31 pm
@Butrflynet,
Agree.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 05:47 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

So, what's your exact gripe, JTT?


Good question.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 05:59 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

One would hope that my fellow citizens would not allow thier emotions to be control by the need of TV news channels to increase their ratings.

My life and all of our lives would be better if we sometimes refused to go along with people who wish to control our emotions for their benefit.


Ain't this the truth. It is you, through this thread, that has attempted to take away what people feel about Captain Sullivan. To control their emotions and to put attention onto yourself.

Like Osso said in effect that this thread is a big circular discussion. You must be enjoying your little bit of notoriety with so much activity in this thread. You, of course, are undeserving of it and I am amazed that everyone, including me, keeps coming back. Perhaps it is for a good laugh. We are laughing at you, not with you.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 06:25 am
@Intrepid,
I ain't laughing. Just shaking my head in bewilderment and bemusement. Osso said it best. This is a lot like a very repetitive piece of music. Rhythmic. Hypnotic. But ultimately boring.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 06:52 am
@Intrepid,
I would add that Bill, in this silly attempt to make himself the center of attention, has perpetuated a story which the local news organizations have already left behind.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 06:56 am
@Setanta,
Do you think he cares about that? Maybe he should start a thread entitled, ' BILLRM, it's all about me'

Smile
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 08:03 am
@Butrflynet,
Fine however she is not the command pilot in question and the command pilot in question did little that I would call being a hero.

Surely nothing at all to compare with a man knowing giving his life to save othere from a cold river.

My standard of what a hero is seem to be many time more then your and others here.

And of course by allowing people to lightly misused the term without questioning the misused cheapen the meaning when it should be apply to real heroes such as the man dying in a cold river in order to save others from that form of death.

In any case at least I had place myself strongly on record against this nonsense and not all the silly personal attacks will stop me from so doing in the future either.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 09:36 am
@Intrepid,
No, no . . . you're wrong . . . it's all about me!
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:02 am
@Setanta,
Setanta and spendius are one and the same. Pass it on.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:16 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

No, no . . . you're wrong . . . it's all about me!


Oh, yeah, I forgot. <insert slap on forehead emoticon>. All bow to the great Setanta. Did I get the name right? Wink
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:25 am
@Setanta,
Odd outlook that because I used my own standards to judge what a hero is or is not I am trying to be the central of attention.

I do not consider myself a hero in any way or in any manner so anything I would do in a given situation mean that action does not qualify as being a hero on it face.

For example I could see myself giving my life for my wife or my mother and my step grandchildren but no one else on this planet, however the case of a man giving his life knowingly for people he had no connection with is so over what I would dream of doing that he is surely a hero in my eyes. Oh I would perhaps place my life at some added risk for others then my wife and other family members but not to the degree that the man in the cold river did. I also do not think it likely that anyone on this thread would knowingly give his life for strangers in such a situation and if they did so then they would be heroes in my eyes.

Now as a non hero I know that I would and had not panic in flight emergencies and that anyone with any degree of flight training is not likely to panic but do his or her best to deal with the situation at hand to the limit of his/her flying ability.

There is zero of being a hero in so doing as I define being a hero.

You people either have a strong need for a hero and or have a very very low standards for what a hero happen to be.

Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:21 pm
@BillRM,
Why does the appearance matter? This person is a hero no matter if he was a fat balding woman. I consider the flight attendents heros as well and they were all women.

Not one person mentioned the pilots appearance?
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:22 pm
@JTT,
He actually did say he was a hero in an interview.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:25 pm
@BillRM,
And you are angry because you never had this fame.

Sorry Billy - the cows in the field though moo they are grateful.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:28 pm
I've never said that any of these people are heroes. It hardly matters whether they are or not. The main point here, which i have already pointed out and which Bill sedulously avoids, is that our most common experience when we hear that a plane has gone down, it to hear how many died, or that they all died, or that so many died in the plane and so many on the ground--such as the crash in Buffalo last night which killed all 49 aboard and one on the ground.

But this is a feel-good story, with the surprising outcome that nobody was killed. Naturally both news outlets and people in general are going to make much of it. Who cares if anyone calls them heroes?

Your sour grapes attitude is showing again, Bill. Why the hell should you care if anyone considers them heroes or not?

Once again, while whining about the story being perpetuated, you are perpetuating the story yourself. Once again, this is a lame thread.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:31 pm
@Intrepid,
Other than the dickheads that sought to attack Bill on his grammar, I have no particular gripe at all.

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NickFun
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:37 pm
Perhaps the headline should have read, "Average Pilot Lands Plane Safely"

Hardly even seems like news
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 04:52 pm
@NickFun,
Perhaps the headline should have read, "Average Pilot Lands Plane Safely"
Hardly even seems like news
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How about due to the correction actions of a great many people from the flight crew to the rescue services to the ferry boats crews a plane load of men women and children got to go home?
 

 
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