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Not a single Republican vote. Heard that before.

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 01:20 pm
@sullyfish6,
Read the goddam thing over again...and if you don't figure out what my point was...ask some eighth grader to give you a hand.
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 07:37 pm
@maporsche,
Quite.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 07:41 pm
@Foxfyre,
How does your copy/paste from that Republican Congressman's website actually address the point Maporsche made?

It's all rah-rah, capital gains tax cuts good - fine, got it, the Republican US Representative David Dreier from California is all in favour. But Maporsche made a specific point, and unless I'm mistaken, your copy/paste says nothing about it.

EDIT: I'm referring to this point - well, two points - MP made:

Quote:
lowering the capital gains tax will not give any stimulas right now. For one, in order to be charged the capital gains tax you need to have seen some gains. There aren't too many gains to be had in the stock market or with the housing sector (the main vehicles for cap gains taxes).

If no one is seeing any gains than a tax incentive that won't/can't be used won't benefit anyone


Quote:
Business that reinvest their money to the business are not taxed on that money they reinvest. Capital gains taxes would not apply to renvested capital.

Actually higher capital gains taxes makes reinvesting back into the company and the employees MORE favorable to the business.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2009 07:50 am
Remind yourself that every time you hear a Republican leader say they don't want to be the Party of No that that is exactly what they have become. They have one idea- cut taxes- that's it.

They had another idea: let's sell the analog TV signal range and make money to pay for Bush's tax cuts while bringing everyone into the age of digital TV. Except they screwed up the plan by creating this horrible coupon for a converter box system which ran out of money early.

(I love the fact that they decided to send out the coupons by THIRD CLASS mail. Way to save a dime! Except when Grandpa gets his coupon which is only good for six weeks to start with, he's got about two and half weeks left of eligibility. Swell plan, GOP.)

Gosh, why don't people trust them to lead?

It gets better. You know that 'not a single Republican vote" thing they've got going on in the House? Well, there was just a vote to extend the time period of switching from analog to digital so that the remaining, most effected by the switch, poor, aged and minorities could be ready. Hmmm. How did the GOP votes go? Remember, this was their idea..... you got it.

They are starting to remind me of my youngest son's reaction to learning the word "no" at age 22 months. He loved saying it even when it was against his interests to do so.

Joe(Want some milk? NO!!)Nation
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2009 08:33 am
@Joe Nation,
As ususal...a funny and congent response.

You da man!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2009 11:30 am
It just makes sense, Frank, that the people who think government is THE problem wouldn't know how to govern, but you would think they would want to save some face by at least following their own program through.

Of course, maybe they are right. It's probably too late to delay any longer and the emergency services, which are going to be using part of the old analog bands, really shouldn't be left holding the bag for another five months, but it is a real example, another one, of this generation of Republicans inability to create policy.

That's what government does, create policy. It's what these modern conservatives denigrate as an ability. They see people who study how government works as wonks because they believe that government cannot work. I suspect something else as well, they truly believe that government CAN work, but when it does, they know it works for the benefit of the less powerful. They would rather not have anyone assisted in gaining any power because such gains threaten their own standing.

Joe(It's tough enough for them as it is.)Nation

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flyboy804
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2009 11:43 am
I believe that if the majority had put forth a bill with none of the republican preferences but minus all of the add ons that would have no immediate effect on the problem at hand some republicans being deprived of an easy out would have broken rasnks and voted for the bill. It is almost as if the majority did not want any republican votes so that they could charge them with obstructionism.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2009 11:57 am
@flyboy804,
Quote:
I believe that if the majority had put forth a bill with none of the republican preferences but minus all of the add ons that would have no immediate effect on the problem at hand some republicans being deprived of an easy out would have broken rasnks and voted for the bill. It is almost as if the majority did not want any republican votes so that they could charge them with obstructionism.



Drunk
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haviland
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 05:41 pm
The stimulus is just what Sen. John McCain warned us about...pork, nothing but pork. It will not help the middle class. Obama will promise everything and deliver nothing...welcome to socialism. You get what you vote for.
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haviland
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 05:46 pm
@Joe Nation,
I don't know anyone who has an analog tv and if they do, they probably don't watch it much and need a new one. One thing in life is keeping up. I have no remorse for those that can't deal with the fact that life goes on and technology will pass you if you don't keep up with it. Your comments make you out to be a complainer, a typical dem. Republicans are action makers, we don't just sit back and complain.
haviland
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 05:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You are awesome...but you knew that! Seriously, I enjoy reading your work. Us Rep back up our info and just don't complain about everything. We have good reasons for what we do and say.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 07:47 pm
@haviland,
Action? They only actions that Republicans can lay claim to recently is the doubling of the national debt and causing our entire economy to tank, but I'm not complaining, Democrats of the kind that I hang out with love a challenge. So, where are those Republicans while we attempt to clean up their mess? Why, they are sitting on their asses with their voting hands tucked neatly between their buns.

No votes in the House and three votes in the Senate, but I am not complaining.

When, not if, the stimulus works , we Democrats will consistently and fairly remind the American public that when their fellow citizens needed them to act the GOP turned away.

In case you haven't noticed, the strategy of the GOP presently is the same as it was after Katrina in Louisiana, that is - do hardly anything --because it not the government's job to look after the general welfare of it's citizens. It's as if they haven't read the Constitution lately. Or ever.

I sincerely hope they continue to act as they believe. With any luck the GOP will remain the minority Party of the USA for the next one hundred years.

They really haven't got a clue. You talk about people not keeping up with technology, the current crop of Republicans appear to me to be only dimly aware that world has moved on past the electric typewriter.

Joe(ask John McCain if he has used "The Goggle" lately??)Nation
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 07:52 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe, what if the stimulus doesn't work?

I for one don't think there is a chance in hell of this stimulus working. I'm going on record now.

I know that Democrats will claim that it will work regardless if it does or not. They will use terms like "it would have been much worse if we chose to do nothing". Which will be completely unverifiable and unknown.

Biden says that there's a 30% chance that this won't work. Even IF if it does work, is it worth the cost?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 08:06 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Joe, what if the stimulus doesn't work?

I for one don't think there is a chance in hell of this stimulus working. I'm going on record now.

I know that Democrats will claim that it will work regardless if it does or not. They will use terms like "it would have been much worse if we chose to do nothing". Which will be completely unverifiable and unknown.

Biden says that there's a 30% chance that this won't work. Even IF if it does work, is it worth the cost?


Why don't you think it will work?

How will you define 'not working?' Things getting worse? Things are going to get worse no matter what we do at this point, so it ought to be more specific than that.

Cycloptichorn
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 08:40 pm
http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/11453/

02/03/2009 GAAS:044:09 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Governor Schwarzenegger and 18 Other Governors Send Letter to President Obama Supporting the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act


Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today joined with 18 other governors in sending the following letter to President Obama supporting the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

Text of the letter:

February 3, 2009

The President
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear Mr. President,

We are writing to express our support for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), which passed last week in the House and is under consideration currently in the Senate. As stewards of the economies of our respective states and regions, we urge the Congress to reach prompt resolution of all outstanding differences and you to sign the bill when it reaches your desk.

Families and businesses across the nation are hurting. Credit markets have seized up, which is affecting both business activity and consumer spending. Unemployment is rising sharply. While we all believe in the importance of free markets, we believe that the markets today need stimulating.

We support the objectives of ARRA and welcome the partnership it offers us as governors. The support for a temporary increase in the federal commitment for public education, health care (including cost control through initiatives such as health records IT), and for rebuilding our public infrastructure will create and preserve jobs today, and represents a sound investment in our long-term economic interests as well. We look forward to working with Congress and your Administration to advance an economic recovery package that puts federal dollars to work in our states in the quickest and most efficient manner as possible.

Thank you for your consideration.

Respectfully yours,



Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger-R
California

Governor M. Jodi Rell-R
Connecticut

Governor Deval Patrick-D
Massachusetts

Governor Charlie Crist-R
Florida

Governor Bill Ritter Jr. -D
Colorado

Governor Chester J. Culver-D
Iowa

Governor Jack Markell-D
Delaware

Governor Jon S. Corzine-D
New Jersey

Governor Pat Quinn -D
Illinois

Governor Ted Strickland-D
Ohio

Governor Jennifer M. Granholm -D
Michigan

Governor Theodore R. Kulongoski-D
Oregon

Governor David A. Paterson-D
New York

Governor James H. Douglas-D
Vermont

Governor Brad Henry-D
Oklahoma

Governor John deJongh Jr.-D
Virgin Islands

Governor Edward G. Rendell-D
Pennsylvania

Governor Timothy M. Kaine-D
Virginia

Governor Jim Doyle-D
Wisconsin
roger
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 08:49 pm
@Butrflynet,
An economic plan endorsed by the Governor of California. I'm speechless.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 08:52 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

An economic plan endorsed by the Governor of California. I'm speechless.


His only problem is a stubborn refusal to force his own party members to raise taxes. Other than that, not such a bad guy.

Cycloptichorn
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 09:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
cycloptichorn wrote:
How will you define 'not working?' Things getting worse? Things are going to get worse no matter what we do at this point, so it ought to be more specific than that.

And when maporsche supplies the specifics, the next question is why it isn't working. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the American economy is going to produce over two trillion dollars worth less in goods and services than it would at full employment. The stimulus plan is trying to plug this two trillion dollar hole with eight hundred thousand dollar's worth of spending.

Of course this isn't going to work! But the reason won't be that government spending doesn't work as an anti-recession program. It does. But the reason for the failure will be that government spending will be too low to provide effective stimulus. What was Obama's best selling title again? The Timidity of Hope?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 09:12 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
The stimulus plan is trying to plug this two trillion dollar hole with eight hundred thousand dollar's worth of spending.


Is that figure correct, Thomas, $800,000.00?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2009 09:19 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

cycloptichorn wrote:
How will you define 'not working?' Things getting worse? Things are going to get worse no matter what we do at this point, so it ought to be more specific than that.

And when maporsche supplies the specifics, the next question is why it isn't working. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the American economy is going to produce over two trillion dollars worth less in goods and services than it would at full employment. The stimulus plan is trying to plug this two trillion dollar hole with eight hundred thousand dollar's worth of spending.

Of course this isn't going to work! But the reason won't be that government spending doesn't work as an anti-recession program. It does. But the reason for the failure will be that government spending will be too low to provide effective stimulus. What was Obama's best selling title again? The Timidity of Hope?
I totally agree. Obama also didn't mention that the USA will be sending another 30,000 troops to Afghanistan.
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