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Are Spaniards, the Portuguese, the French, Italians seen as Germanic in America?

 
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 06:26 am
In the 19th century, people such as Sienkiewicz, Matejko, Kraszewski revived Polish history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Sienkiewicz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Matejko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Ignacy_Kraszewski

Kraszewski lived in German Dresden, Matejko in Austrian Cracow, Sienkiewicz in Warsaw under Russian censorship. These great spirits helped bring independence back to Poland. Back then, Germany was not such a monster as in WW2, just an occupier. There were uprisings, mostly against Russia, but people (still meaning nobility) lived quite peacefully under the three occupations for 123 years, maybe awaiting a better political situation. Sth like Russians under the Mongol yoke.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 10:48 am
The defeat of the central powers brought independence back to Poland. Pilsudski brought independence back to Poland. Yammering about one's history doesn't bring independence to anyone.
literarypoland
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 11:52 am
@Setanta,
And the Russian revolution - somehow, though 2-3 years later those same Bolsheviks attacked Poland. Or maybe Pilsudski attacked Russia. I read that Pilsudski knew where to stop, didn't want to take part in the civil war in Russia and help the whites.

I hear that all of America's friends - Russia, Germany and France - informed it about the coming 9/11 attacks. Then Britain, Poland, Spain, the Ukraine sent troops to Iraq. Then Bush didn't call Kaczynski leaving office.

What else can an ally do? Providing military support is the ultimate proof of friendship - even if the cause proves half-just.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 11:58 am
Another phenomenon was the successful uprising against Germans around Poznan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Uprising_(1918%E2%80%931919)
Independence regained in pains. However, the 19th century had many such subdued countries, which were gradually resurrected.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2009 01:23 pm
I hear that internet users in Poland have more goofy ideas per capita than the Russians . . . and that's saying a lot!
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 02:47 am
Let's not forget about president Woodrow Wilson and Paderewski's concerts around the world as factors contributing to the regained independence.
There are many squares, streets named after Wilson and FD Roosevelt around Poland - and not because they were renamed from Djerzhynsky Square, but they have existed for decades now.
Proof:
Google "ulica Wilsona" Wilson Street: Warsaw, Czestochowa, Bielsko-Biala, Opole, Lodz, Knurow, Tarnow, Radomsko, Brwinow, Chojna, Jastrzebie Zdroj, Zambrow. Cities and small towns.
A local portal from Zambrow explains who Wilson was (though everyone should know from school), and that the US ambassador visited Zambrow in 2007, expressing satisfaction at so many places in Poland named after Wilson.
http://www.zambrow.org/aktualnosci/strona.php?strona=artykuly_pokaz&id=3239
Roosevelt Square - one of the main squares in Olsztyn:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plac_Franklina_Roosevelta_w_Olsztynie
History of Roosevelt Street in Poznan (named so from 1945):
http://www.kobidz.pl/app/site.php5/getFile/372
And many Roosevelt Streets, some Wilson Squares all around Poland. But most (all?) of them had those names also under Communism.
However, the Wilson Square in Warsaw was renamed after the Commune de Paris in Communist Poland:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plac_Thomasa_Woodrowa_Wilsona_w_Warszawie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Square
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