that would be descriptive, I believe, Slappy.
Yikes.
What I find amazing is that he managed to do BOTH. Did one, the pain didn't sober him up enough, he didn't pass out, he went and did the other one, too.
Ack.
Atropine is more copmmonly used to decrease vagal stimulation and increase heart rate in emergency cardiac care. I have had to laugh at all the press one of prehospital EMS' most often used drugs has gotten.
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:I would go so far to say, that's just one f%#ked up kid.
Um...not after this incident!
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margo wrote:littlek wrote:Yep, I know people who have tried one form or another of the nightshade family
Aren't tomatoes of the nightshade family? And potatoes?
Yes, but they are rarely invited to Christmas dinner.
the fact that he did both is another sign of psychosis. Yes, to whoever said it first. I'd say conflict about sex and aggression with a psychotic fantasy. No talking, no *******.......helps take away the fire.
Jeeez!!! Talk about destroying your whole life!
I have some experience with this, having inherited a design project with a glorious brugmansia hanging over a swimming pool. Plus, a client who both adored the plant and had a new baby.
Sigh.
I took a thermos of pool water, upon which pool floated lots of leaves, and stuffed those new and less new leaves plus some pods and miscellaneous crappo into the container, and shipped the whole thing to an appropriate chem lab which gave back the announcement that there was this miniscule bit of whatsit in the jug. I called them, still not sure. The head guy told me the baby who fell in would have to swallow the pool...
While I was doing that I called the specialist at the county arboretum, and he told me about the plant's repute for aphrodiasiac qualities, and that it was routine in some places, but that it would take a good bit to do real harm.
(This is while the plant is proliferating not only in designed gardens I know of but all over magazine features, etc.)
I came to a not quite restful conclusion myself that you would have to really mean it as far as doing yourself in, even with the odd leaf in the swimming pool.
I gave all the data to the client. Things have been fine.
Still, I wouldn't have a brugmansia/datura leaf salad.
Or eat an azalea bush.
Or barbeque with oleander sticks.
I found an interesting bit o trivia. The datura produces 3 common alkoloids scopalamine(which is used for motion sickness and has a side action that allows for enhanced learning of adaptive response patterns -like ability to cross mazes more quickly):hyoscyanine, which inhibits the excsess motility of the gastroinyestinal tract, and is used in many anti-diahreals: and then atropine which besides the vagal override to speed up the heart then can cause irregular heartbeat.All of these , in large enough doses, cause hallucinations and hallucinatory dreams.
I guess the action of all these alkaloids is the reason that the plant had some overall muscular properties that made it a choice for shamanistic rituals in so many cultures.
Interesting tidbit, farmerman. And Osso, your experience is also informative. Thanks.
