Raymond Burr (Perry Mason) was gay?

@valerieellen,

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Raymond Burr (Perry Mason) was gay?

"Not that there's anything wrong with this." [Jerry & George]

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and this has always been an attempt to trash an incredible, caring man.

This only speaks to the sick nature of those that would think that being a gay man or a lesbians is enough to trash them.

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@JTT,

well he would have made a pretty horrible lesbian, like rosie in drag

wait, what Confused

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@valerieellen,

valerieellen wrote:

@eoe,
I met Raymond Burr and I saw him with Robert Benevides. I have never met a more masculine, heterosexual, honest and scrupulously truthful man in my life. He oozed testosterone.

I'm not sure how you could conclude that Burr was heterosexual based upon one meeting with him, unless you encountered him while he was in the act of sexual intercourse with some woman, which I doubt (my guess is that you would have mentioned that point). Burr may have convinced you that he was straight, but then he convinced a lot of people that he was a lawyer, or that he was paralyzed. He was, after all, an actor.

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@joefromchicago,

Thanks for pointing out this small tidbit, Joe. Very Happy

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Most of the responses in this thread are, in fact, a form of gay-bashing. "Defending" Burr against allegations that he was gay assumes that being gay is a condition which is so shameful that one needs to be "defended" against such "charges." Sad to see so many people falling into this trap.

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@Merry Andrew,

Merry Andrew wrote:

Most of the responses in this thread are, in fact, a form of gay-bashing.
"Defending" Burr against allegations that he was gay assumes that being gay
is a condition which is so shameful that one needs to be "defended" against such "charges."

Sad to see so many people falling into this trap.

Sad or not, if he was free of homosexual inclinations,
then he shoud not have his reputation tarnished with that.

Tho I never met him in person,
he seemed almost like a friend, visiting my home @ Saturday nite in the 1950s.

David

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Its hitting below the belt
to attribute such personal conduct to a dead man, not able to defend himself.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Its hitting below the belt
to attribute such personal conduct to a dead man, not able to defend himself.

Again, you feel compelled to use the word "defend." Wonder why that would be?

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@Merry Andrew,

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Wonder why that would be?

Rhetorical if ever there was one?

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@Merry Andrew,

Merry Andrew wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Its hitting below the belt
to attribute such personal conduct to a dead man, not able to defend himself.

Again, you feel compelled to use the word "defend." Wonder why that would be?

That woud be, and it IS, because
If he were able to feel anything,
or if his spirit returned, he might well be embarrassed
for such a rumor to be extant about him. He might well deem it an attribution of perversity.
(No offense intended to Rex; I don 't mean to hurt his feelings.)

I know that if I returned in such circumstances,
I woud not want to be thusly characterized.
I m sure that 's true of most guys.
If u dissent from that, u r certainly free to say whatever u want, Andy.

I assume that Valerie is right,
but admittedly, I have no factual knowledge of this.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I expect a resurgence of ill will and vilification resulting from the liberals' despondence n semi-hysteria
qua the USSC 's CITIZENS UNITED decision vindicating the First Amendment 's freedom of speech
and my championing thereof.

I hope it pans out for you (just kidding) - I had to think of some way to respond to that AWESOME sentence. I couldn't let it go by unremarked upon.

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Popularity is not important to me; it never was.
SUCCESS was and is important to me.

I can understand that.

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As far as I remember, no conservative ever condemned my use of color or size.

Are you sure David? At one time it seemed a pretty universally unappreciated practice of yours (except by me - and if I had to label myself I'd say I'm sort of a liberal-leaning centrist).
I miss your colors. Now the only way I can tell it's you is by your CAPS in your thread titles and the bolding in your posts.!

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To some people (especially young people, in school): being accepted and popular is of very great importance.
I have always been indifferent to it.

Yeah, funny thing is that it seems the more one is indifferent to it, the more popular they're likely to become - in the long run that is. Funny how that works.

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Have u resumed your teaching job ?

I got my security clearance (CRB) last week and did my key training today so all systems are go.

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@aidan,

David wrote:

I expect a resurgence of ill will and vilification resulting
from the liberals' despondence n semi-hysteria
qua the USSC 's CITIZENS UNITED decision vindicating
the First Amendment 's freedom of speech
and my championing thereof.

aidan wrote:

I hope it pans out for you (just kidding) -
I had to think of some way to respond to that AWESOME sentence.
I couldn't let it go by unremarked upon.

Thank u, Rebecca.

David wrote:

Popularity is not important to me; it never was.
SUCCESS was and is important to me.

aidan wrote:

I can understand that.

David wrote:

As far as I remember,
no conservative ever condemned my use of color or size.

aidan wrote:

Are you sure David? At one time it seemed a pretty universally unappreciated
practice of yours (except by me - and if I had to label myself I'd say
I'm sort of a liberal-leaning centrist).

Sure is too strong a word, but I don 't remember any
conservative complaining of it; the complaints corresponded with
a fair amount of fidelity to partisanship.

aidan wrote:

I miss your colors. Now the only way I can tell it's you is by your CAPS
in your thread titles and the bolding in your posts.!

Thank u. It enables me to be more expressive.
Typing without them is like speaking in the drone of a monotone.

David wrote:

To some people (especially young people, in school):
being accepted and popular is of very great importance.
I have always been indifferent to it.

aidan wrote:

Yeah, funny thing is that it seems the more one is indifferent to it,
the more popular they're likely to become - in the long run that is. Funny how that works.

David wrote:

Have u resumed your teaching job ?

aidan wrote:

I got my security clearance (CRB) last week and did my key training today so all systems are go.

In the same place ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Yep, same place and all the same people who were working there when I left are still there -which is a lovely - I really, really like my colleagues there and am happy they want me back.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

Yep, same place and all the same people who were working there when I left
are still there -which is a lovely - I really, really like my colleagues there and am happy they want me back.

When I was a law student, an extremely respected trial lawyer, who was our trial practice professor,
told us (qua jury selection) that if u don' t like a prospective juror, then HE does not like YOU
so u better get rid of him. That can work in reverse (sometimes).

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@OmSigDAVID,

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That can work in reverse (sometimes).

yes it does-happily.

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@TilleyWink,

Raymond Burr had more character and charisma than the other so-called famous actors. He was utterly brilliant as Perry Mason and should be honored as such. That's coming from a Trump supporter and Heterosexual.

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@RexRed,

I'm a Trump supporter and a HETEROSEXUAL. Raymond Burr had more class than all those phony so-called Famous actors! He should have done MORE than the Perry Mason role which was actually beneath such a marvelous and brilliant actor. I thought Ironsides was a flop and not a good vehicle for such a class actor!

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Someone replied that he was an excellent example of a gay man. Truly he was. He really did pull it off. Barbara Hale said he was a kind, benevolent person whom she always considered a good friend. And in the end that is what really matters. She said she would really miss him after he passed away and I think she meant it. I get to have the opportunity to see him twice a day on MeTV if I can because Perry Mason is on twice a day

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@TilleyWink,

That is just what I was thinking, I am so disappointed to hear this. OMG, I thought he was so sexy!

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@eoe,

He lied about everything else. Did he lie about his death and he really died of AIDS?

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