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Raymond Burr (Perry Mason) was gay?

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 02:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
(based upon no evidence);


His boyfriend saved the blue dress! Smile

(just kidding)
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 02:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, do you understand that this is not a thread of accusation but of affirmation?

It is not a bad thing that Mr. Burr was gay. It is, however, bad and sad that the state of America of that day did not allow him to live his life more openly and comfortably.

RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 03:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
whether he was possessed of homosexuality or foot fetishism ?


The foot fetishism bothers me a bit about Burr but the homosexuality part is rather interesting to me and is a plus.

I learned about Burr's foot fetish from a gay friend who lives in Vegas and caters to many of the most famous stars in Hollywood. Apparently Burr's secret and his sexual tastes were well known.

When he told me about Burr's apparent fetishes it did knock my opinion of him down a bit, but to each their own.

Some of Burr's fetishes extended beyond feet to also younger males, which suddenly gave me another episode of Perry Mason that I did not really need to watch in my imagination.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 03:07 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
David, do you understand that this is not a thread of accusation but of affirmation?

It is not a bad thing that Mr. Burr was gay. It is, however, bad and sad that the state of America of that day did not allow him to live his life more openly and comfortably.


ditto
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 07:51 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:

David, do you understand that this is not a thread of accusation but of affirmation?

It is not a bad thing that Mr. Burr was gay.
It is, however, bad and sad that the state of America of that day
did not allow him to live his life more openly and comfortably.

Its a matter of everyone being deemed innocent until proven guilty,
and any straight man who has homosexuality attributed to him woud be aghast.
The Wikipedia article that Rex posted is extremely weak evidence.
I understand that if a person is a homosexual of either sex
who openly lives that way, it can be OK to refer to him as such;
however, if the allegation is false, and he is straight,
then this can be a great offense against him
from which his reputation will never completely recover.
In some cases, he may be ruined.

Men who are straight are very offended, hurt and shocked
by false allegations of homosexuality; I am glad that no one
has ever accused ME of that, tho I have been denounced
by many other defamations (most recently: a moron and a nazi).




EhBeth, since u have addressed me,
let me say this:
I deem u to be a fine person and have never had anything against u,
but I read that u implied to someone that u had me on Ignore,
which is a very fine, good, and fully proper thing to do.
There is nothing rong with that, but when I saw that u implied
that u had me on Ignore, I thought that it woud be wise,
reciprocally, to put u on Ignore so that I woud not in the future
post to u, and u 'd never get the message.

However, on this thread, u were quoted addressing me;
hence, by chance, indirectly, I received your message.
Accordingly, I have taken u off Ignore again,
since it appears that u have done so to me.
I know not whether u have posted to me within the last few days
on other occasions, that I did not receive your message.





David
Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 08:27 pm
He could have been a leg man. That would have made him the 'wheel deal'. Surprised Surprised Surprised

I crack myself up, yes I do...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, I have told you several times that I find it very difficult to read posts with a lot of bolding. I believe I also told you that I have thumbed down those posts.

I do not have you on ignore, but I do thumb down any of your posts with very large lettering and bolding that are in threads I am reading. Those posts are very hard on my eyes. When people quote those posts, it defeats the purpose of having thumbed down those hard to read posts.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Men who are straight are very offended, hurt and shocked by false allegations of homosexuality


this may be true for you, David, however it is not a universal truth

I live in a city with a very large gay community. Some of the best restaurants in town are in the gay village. I have gone to those restaurants with gay and straight friends. My straight male friends (with one notable exception) have not been offended, hurt or shocked when other customers/staff have suggested they were gay, asked about their sexual orientation or expressed interest. Perhaps it's a generational thing, but I suspect not as these men have ranged in age from mid-30's to late 60's.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:14 pm
@ehBeth,
I, too, was going to respond to that particular claim of David's. I'm straight. I doubt I'd be offended by someone saying I was gay. Amused, yes. Very amused, in fact. But what's to be offended about? Someone made a mistake based on venue or whatever, that's all.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:24 pm
"wheel deal" : Ironside = wheelchair. Geddit?


Tough ******* crowd here.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:27 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:

David, I have told you several times that I find it very difficult to read posts
with a lot of bolding. I believe I also told you that I have
thumbed down those posts.

Yes.
I thought u put me on Ignore for subject matter reasons,
but u did not actually say that.


Quote:

I do not have you on ignore, but I do thumb down
any of your posts with very large lettering and bolding that are in
threads I am reading. Those posts are very hard on my eyes.

Yes, well, in that case,
thuming them down is a good idea.
I have reduced special effects, slightly.
I like to elevate the significance of some ideas over others,
the same as when a speaker gestures with his hand
or employs a facial expression or intonation of voice.




Quote:

When people quote those posts,
it defeats the purpose of having thumbed down those hard to read posts.

It does.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:43 pm
@ehBeth,
One other point is that when I use the quote feature,
which is quite ofen, it is very convenient to hi lite
the specific part of the quoted material (which may be VERY LONG)
to which I am responding, so that readers will understand my point more easily.

However, I do care about offending your eyes.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:54 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Men who are straight are very offended, hurt and shocked by false allegations of homosexuality




Quote:

this may be true for you, David, however it is not a universal truth

I live in a city with a very large gay community. Some of the best restaurants in town are in the gay village. I have gone to those restaurants with gay and straight friends. My straight male friends (with one notable exception) have not been offended, hurt or shocked when other customers/staff have suggested they were gay, asked about their sexual orientation or expressed interest. Perhaps it's a generational thing, but I suspect not as these men have ranged in age from mid-30's to late 60's.

I had in mind a denunciatory accusation of perversity, for the purpose of giving offense;
for instance, when my dead friend, Neil (an Irishman),
was telling me of the history of the English-Irish warfare,
he referred with humor to the English hanging an Irishman,
after accusing him of homosexuality. Neil joked:
"hang him, all right, but don t accuse him of THAT.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:59 pm
Oh, I just realised. I made a joke about the other Raymond Burr role. Must have seemed not so funny, right?


Did anyone know that J Edgar Hoover was queer as well? And a cross-dresser? And he had black ancestry?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:15 pm
@Mr Stillwater,
Quote:

Did anyone know that J Edgar Hoover was queer as well?
And a cross-dresser? And he had black ancestry?

Yeah; he shot Lincoln too; a falling out with his homo boyfriend.
Booth was framed.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2008 03:53 pm
In bringing this up my intention was not to debate the moral implications of homosexuality but to wonder if Burr was otherwise an ethical man.

Being homosexual can be a plus, but lack of ethics is always a minus to me.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2008 11:17 pm
@RexRed,
R u a homosexual ?
RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2008 11:54 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
R u a homosexual ?

Red is queer. Razz
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2008 11:59 pm
Pink is maybe more queer...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2008 01:55 am
@RexRed,
Y r we discussing red or pink ?

 

 
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