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Raymond Burr (Perry Mason) was gay?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:29 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

I think that Burr being gay did not blacken his memory but it enhances it. Because he pulled it off, with such awe, grace and talent and he seemed to make people quake in their shoes. He broke presupposed inherited stereotypes of gays being weak, strictly effeminate, immoral, sick people and changed them into being a firm, ethical. Burr was a strong ideal of a unique personality and character.

I heard Raymond once remarked to one of his closest female friends something to the effect that, "I at least have seen my sunsets with the person I really love". His female friend did not understand what he meant till many years later.

I think perhaps Raymond Burr is one of the most outstanding homosexual role models of our time.

geeze louise, I need to rethink this one, i was of the opinion that John Denver would have that image as a role model.
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TilleyWink
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:43 am
@Cliff Hanger,
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You speak as if the hatred for homosexuality has ended?


It has ended, the hatred towards gay individuals, but not all the fear, bias, and discrimination.
Cliff Hanger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 12:30 pm
@TilleyWink,
Quote:
It has ended, the hatred towards gay individuals, but not all the fear, bias, and discrimination.


No, it has not ended. If it has ended then we would no longer need to put homosexuality under the heading of diversity.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 02:42 pm
@Cliff Hanger,
Cliff Hanger wrote:

Quote:
Re: TilleyWink (Post 3452851)
TilleyWink wrote:

I agee dlowan just like Rock Hudson. Why oh why are so many great looking guys gay.


Erm...I don't give a brass razoo abut great looking guys being gay (friends are just as great, over the long haul, as lovers) but that they have had to creep around and hide because of cretinous prejudice and incomprehensible hatred.


You speak as if the hatred for homosexuality has ended?




Nope.


I think, in the west, there is generally less mindless prejudice, though.

I'd say it has abated in parts.

Still there big-time (especially, in the west's case, among the religious nuts).
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 04:04 pm
I am reminded of Colombo who nearly every episode talks about his "wife" who never (that I am aware of) appears in an episode... Smile
NickFun
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 04:41 pm
@RexRed,
Are you suggesting that Colombo's "wife" was actually a man? I guess you didn't see the "Mrs. Colombo" episode.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 07:25 pm
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Columbo's wife
During the first incarnation of the series, between 1971 and 1978, it was widely believed in Hollywood that Columbo's "wife" was a fictional ploy used only for conversation with his prey, and that the character actually lived alone in a furnished room. Falk is reported in magazine profiles to have strongly believed this.

However, in the episode "Troubled Waters" other characters describe meeting and speaking to Mrs. Columbo, though she never appears on screen. In three further episodes ("An Exercise in Fatality", "Any Old Port in a Storm" and "Rest in Peace, Mrs. Columbo") Columbo is seen talking on the telephone with her. And in the episode "Identity Crisis" the character played by Patrick McGoohan bugs Columbo's home and learns her favorite piece of music.

In the episode "Rest in Peace, Mrs. Columbo", Columbo's unseen wife is herself targeted by a deranged killer (played by Helen Shaver). During the investigation Columbo states that his wife loves Chopin, and describes her as being busy with church, volunteering at the hospital, watching her sister's children, and walking the dog five times a day. He mentions that she has a sister named Ruth, and later while talking with his wife on the phone he refers also to her having another sister called Rita. This episode is to some extent an extended joke with the audience, in which we are teased as to whether or not Mrs. Columbo has actually been murdered. It also teases the audience by featuring prominently displayed photographs of Mrs. Columbo, apparently finally disclosing her appearance to viewers. However, for a very important reason in the storyline, the photos turn out not to be of Columbo's wife after all.

Psychologically, the audience came to want the mystery of Mrs. Columbo to be the one mystery the series never solved. She was an element of the show's format, as important to the series as Columbo's shabby raincoat, ancient car, and extraordinary hound dog.

After cancellation of the original Columbo series in 1978, Mrs. Columbo was the lead character in a TV detective series of the same name, in which she was played by Kate Mulgrew (later of Star Trek: Voyager) (see below).

Peter Falk's real-life wife, Shera Danese, appeared in six Columbo episodes in various roles.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 07:28 pm
http://www.totallykate.com/mrscolum/mcopen4.jpg

http://www.totallykate.com/mrscolum/mrscolum.htm

Waddyaknow?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 12:09 am
@RexRed,
U r pretty quick to wield a hatchet
against someone who is too dead to defend himself.
Your excerpt from Wikipedia does not prove that he was a homosexual.

RexRed wrote:
Quote:

He broke presupposed inherited stereotypes of gays being weak,
strictly effeminate, immoral, sick people and changed them into
being a firm, ethical. Burr was a strong ideal of a unique
personality and character.


These assertions assume,
with out proof that he really WAS a homosexual.
Anyone can defame anyone else therein. Someone coud put in
an article accusing U of being a homosexual.
What is the proof ?

I used to watch him on Saturday nites in the 1950s,
but there was not much quaking visible in anyone 's shoes.
He just portrayed a competent and successful trial lawyer; so what ?





David
TilleyWink
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 12:28 am
@RexRed,
All I can say is I live in a community that is mostly GLBT and we all get along fine. And have been supportive of each other for years and years.

I did not mean to offend but then maybe I was not clear in how I expressed myself. What else can I say except I will stay out of the conversation.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 07:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
That post is a typical example of the homophobic prejudice that still exists among us. Why should Burr -- or anyone else, for that matter -- have to DEFEND onself against the label of homosexuality? Are there still laws against it in some states?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 09:03 am
@Merry Andrew,
Quote:

That post is a typical example of the homophobic prejudice that still exists among us.
Why should Burr -- or anyone else, for that matter --
have to DEFEND onself against the label of homosexuality?

No one said that he HAS TO defend.
Being as dead as he is, he cannot be embarrassed.

If u r straight, how 'd u feel if someone called u a homosexual ?

I 've gotta say:
I 've been called a lot of bad names on some of these fora
because of my pro-freedom, anti-socialist views,
but I 'm glad that no one has accused me of THAT.

This defamation reminds me of the hatchet job
(based on 3rd hand hearsay)
that was done to blacken the memory of J. Edgar Hoover
after he was too dead to defend himself.

The dead shoud not be hit below the belt.
If thay r,
then thay shoud return on Halloween to inflict their revenge.


Quote:

Are there still laws against it in some states?

Maybe; I am not up-to-date on the state of the law nor
the law of the states insofar as this topic is concerned.
It is not something that I check very ofen.
In any case, Raymond Burr is now immune from any effects of law.
I doubt that he gives a damn about the law.


Let me be clear on the point
that I do not suggest that homosexuals be treated badly,
nor that thay shoud be embarrassed, but straights shoud not
be accused of being queer. The evidence adduced against
the late Raymond Burr is between flimsey and non-existent.
He is entitled to a decent minimum of respect.





David
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 03:52 am
Quote:
Perry Mason on DVD
The Complete Series of Perry Mason on 48 DVDS
www.DVDMediaStar.com


I'm getting the ones featuring John Holmes sold by 'Tom of Finland'.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2008 09:40 pm
Did Burr have a foot fetish? Smile

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Foot-inside.jpg
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 05:24 am
@RexRed,


Is this a HATE RAYMOND BURR thread ?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 09:06 am
@Mr Stillwater,
You are very naughty.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 02:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Is this a HATE RAYMOND BURR thread ?


No this is not a hate Raymond Burr thread, it is a rediscover Raymond Burr thread.

People can make up their own minds whether they love or hate him. Personally I liked him. The more I hear about his personal life it seems he was as human as the next guy. Perhaps not the greatest of gay role models but still an interesting person to say the least.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 02:51 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Quote:
Why should Burr -- or anyone else, for that matter -- have to DEFEND onself against the label of homosexuality?

I like what you've said here.

Homosexuality is not a curse.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 02:52 pm
I liked him, too; in the 1950s, I watched him on Saturday nites.

First the poor fellow gets accused of being queer,
(based upon no evidence);
then he is accused of being a foot fetishist.

I shudder to think what u r going to allege against him NEXT.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 02:55 pm
@RexRed,


If u don 't mind my asking, RexRed,
what is the source of your interest in this ?

Y do u care
whether he was possessed of homosexuality or foot fetishism ?
 

 
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