Steve 41oo wrote:
Atheists deny the existence of God and use lack of tangible proof as sufficient justification for their convictions when they are perfectly willing to believe in many other things which they have never experienced or seen just because others testify that such things exist.
Almost makes a case for there being a Satan at work in the world, doesn't it. (That's not a statement. Just a thought.
I've never claimed to be an atheist, and I've never said there is no God I'm just being honest when I say "I dont know". No-one knows. No-one can know. And that includes the theists who imo are either delusional or dishonest when they claim direct knowledge of God.
Good post spendy, I was flagging a bit with the materialistic theory of mind until all became clear with lingerie. So God exists because the idea of God exists and that comprises electrons neurotransmitters and various other chemicals sloshing around in the brain? Which means that anything it is possible to dream up exists in the material world in the form of said electro chemical soup? Does that allow for quantum effects?
So the omnipotent omniscient ever present God, creator and annihilator of all things is just an idea. I think I can buy that.
I have not nor would I presume to tell you what you do or do not believe or what you have or have not experienced.
I have no question of the existence of God, however, as I have experienced God, and I am absolutely certain that God is much much more than simply an idea. Many if not most of those who do not want to believe in the existence of God will call my testimony as well as the testimony of many hundreds of millions of others a lie or they will try to explain it away as mass delusion or whatever.
But, just as you have done here, they will come up with all manner of theories and speculations to justify believing in other things that one person cannot prove to another. Certainly in matters other than God, the personal testimony of dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions, hundreds of millions of people all reporting awhat they are experiencing or have experienced certainly gives credence to such an experience being valid even if the researcher has not himself/herself experienced what they are reporting. Looking at it that way, it seems far more irrational to state there is no evidence for the existence of God than to a least leave open the possibility that God exists.
And if I needed further proof or evidence for myself, I would look at the very angst and frenetic agitation and something akin to fear demonstrated by the Atheists of the world. Why do not other unprovable things stir such powerful emotions in them as does a concept of God? Why do they seem so desperate to disprove that God is? It is a puzzlement. And I personally find it fascinating.
(I also know that anybody will experience God if they give him permission to reveal himself without any preconditions but that is a topic for another discussion.)