Steve 41oo wrote:
If you profess Atheism you say there is no god, but you cannot prove that to me. If I am a Theist, I say that God exists, but I cannot prove that to you.
You havent read or deliberately ignored my position, which I stated clearly. I have never said there is no God. It is not for me to attempt the impossible and prove a negative. Clearly you cannot prove the existence of God. But just a tiny weeny little bitty hint of evidence or even logic to back up your assertion would help. The theists provide nothing except resorting to the tautological argument that they have faith in God, therefore God exists. It just wont do, and I think you know that full well, but wont admit it.
Well I didn't mean you personally. I was using a rhetorical 'you' and "I' and I apologize for not making that clear. (Not that you have apologized for intentionally insulting me, but who's counting?)
No, I cannot prove the existence of God. The only 'proof' available is the existence of a great crowd of witnesses who say they have also shared the experience. How do you prove that you do or do not dream in color? That is an experience unique to you but somebody who does not dream in color can reasonably believe that such a thing is possible based purely on the large amount of witnesses who testify to such a thing. But probably some don't believe it because they themselves have not experienced it.
How do you prove to somebody else that you conceived of an idea or concept or imagined something long before it was shown to you? It's frustrating to be called a liar in such circumstances when you know that you are not. But you have no way of proving that you are telling the truth.
I know I have experienced God. I have talked to and read the words of a large crowd of witnesses who describe similar experiences to that I have experienced. That is proof enough for me.
I don't need for you--rhetorical you--to believe it in order for it to be real to me. And it is possible that you--rhetorical you--will choose to not believe what you have not experienced for yourself.
It's always sort of amusing to me, however, how religiously and passionately Atheists deny the existence of God and use lack of tangible proof as sufficient justification for their convictions when they are perfectly willing to believe in many other things which they have never experienced or seen just because others testify that such things exist.
Almost makes a case for there being a Satan at work in the world, doesn't it. (That's not a statement. Just a thought.)