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Clearing some smoke, corrections etc. is he real or a fake?

 
 
Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2008 11:16 am
Clearing some smoke, corrections etc.

It seems as though Joe Wurzelbacher is not registered to vote in Ohio. This calls into question many things not the least of which is his intention to vote for anybody on Nov. 4th. When looking through the public records available online it’s not entirely clear who Joe Wurzelbacher is or what his affiliations actually are. Now that it is morning somebody who is local to this story should start investigating family ties at the courthouse. Without calling old folks at home I am at a brick wall in what I can find out. Public records can clarify the relationship between Joe and Richard Wurzelbacher if any. To be clear it was the father of the Keating son-in-law who died in 2004.

Back to Joe the Plumber. The business he works for, Newell Plumbing, appears to be a chain. The locations that I have looked into look like residential properties based on the google satelite images and they are not the property Joe Wurzelbacher is said to reside at on the street where he had the encounter with Obama.

Many have pointed out the oddity that this man who is supposedly not involved with politics would be interviewed by several right wing media outlets prior to the debate and was already confirmed for the morning shows by the time the event wrapped up. Within hours it was reported that the McCain Campaign had asked him to attend a rally on Sunday but he was going to be out of town for the weekend…doing the talk show circuit it turns out. Many have also remarked on the similarity between the talking points he’s been repeating and some new ones cropping up around the talk circuit with Stephanie Miller reporting that she’s recently gotten calls with the same language. Also an odd thing, if nothing else, is the presence of newspaper reporters at his house to photograph him watching the debate, though he says he had no idea he would be mentioned. Of course he was more than mentioned, he was McCain’s whole line of attack.

This brings me to what is perhaps the oddest convergence of all in this. My research partner and I were among the first people on this and before even our regular readers had seen our posts we were seeing links in from Martin Eisenstadt. He is a strange character, and I mean character literally. He was involved in a recent hoax involving a faked video of an interview from Iraqi television which fooled some in the mainstream media featuring him promoting an idea for building casinos in the green zone in Iraq. There is also a YouTube Channel featuring the same person doing other related satires. “Eisenstadt” posted a supposed quote on his blog from Rick Davis chastising staffers for the connection between Joe the Plumber and the Keating Five. I must admit that initially I saw this quote out of the context of the original blog and although it seemed unlikely Davis would say it, at first I didn’t know how to integrate it into the whole narrative. When I realized where it originated things started to make more sense, slightly.

Many things about this aren’t adding up and the proximity of a known hoaxer has me even more perplexed. I’m sure that people are looking into the Keating connection as we speak but check out this “Martin Eisenstadt” and see if you think you recognize any of his tricks in the Joe Wurzelbacher situation. I don’t want to draw too many outlandish conclusions in one night but I am comparing the video tapes closely.

The real problem with Joe the Plumber, even if he’s not some kind of republican plant or hoaxer, is that he’s a caricature. The situation he sketched out to Obama doesn’t even accurately reflect his own reality let alone that of typical small business owners. As Obama pointed out 98% of small business owners make under $250,000 a year. If it had been accurate it would still not be representative. Further more there is no reason to believe that Joe the Plumber has any special insight or understanding into the truth of the matter when if comes to tax policy or any other policy. At best he’s a snapshot of what that one person chose to project at that moment and it has gotten out of hand. At worst it’s an attempt by republicans to either create or shamelessly capitalize on what is really a meaningless moment. How much a fiction Joe the Plumber is almost doesn’t matter because no matter how you slice it, that’s what he still is…fiction.


Clearing some smoke, corrections etc.
10/16/08

It seems as though Joe Wurzelbacher is not registered to vote in Ohio. This calls into question many things not the least of which is his intention to vote for anybody on Nov. 4th. When looking through the public records available online it’s not entirely clear who Joe Wurzelbacher is or what his affiliations actually are. Now that it is morning somebody who is local to this story should start investigating family ties at the courthouse. Without calling old folks at home I am at a brick wall in what I can find out. Public records can clarify the relationship between Joe and Richard Wurzelbacher if any. To be clear it was the father of the Keating son-in-law who died in 2004.

Back to Joe the Plumber. The business he works for, Newell Plumbing, appears to be a chain. The locations that I have looked into look like residential properties based on the google satelite images and they are not the property Joe Wurzelbacher is said to reside at on the street where he had the encounter with Obama.

Many have pointed out the oddity that this man who is supposedly not involved with politics would be interviewed by several right wing media outlets prior to the debate and was already confirmed for the morning shows by the time the event wrapped up. Within hours it was reported that the McCain Campaign had asked him to attend a rally on Sunday but he was going to be out of town for the weekend…doing the talk show circuit it turns out. Many have also remarked on the similarity between the talking points he’s been repeating and some new ones cropping up around the talk circuit with Stephanie Miller reporting that she’s recently gotten calls with the same language. Also an odd thing, if nothing else, is the presence of newspaper reporters at his house to photograph him watching the debate, though he says he had no idea he would be mentioned. Of course he was more than mentioned, he was McCain’s whole line of attack.

This brings me to what is perhaps the oddest convergence of all in this. My research partner and I were among the first people on this and before even our regular readers had seen our posts we were seeing links in from Martin Eisenstadt. He is a strange character, and I mean character literally. He was involved in a recent hoax involving a faked video of an interview from Iraqi television which fooled some in the mainstream media featuring him promoting an idea for building casinos in the green zone in Iraq. There is also a YouTube Channel featuring the same person doing other related satires. “Eisenstadt” posted a supposed quote on his blog from Rick Davis chastising staffers for the connection between Joe the Plumber and the Keating Five. I must admit that initially I saw this quote out of the context of the original blog and although it seemed unlikely Davis would say it, at first I didn’t know how to integrate it into the whole narrative. When I realized where it originated things started to make more sense, slightly.

Many things about this aren’t adding up and the proximity of a known hoaxer has me even more perplexed. I’m sure that people are looking into the Keating connection as we speak but check out this “Martin Eisenstadt” and see if you think you recognize any of his tricks in the Joe Wurzelbacher situation. I don’t want to draw too many outlandish conclusions in one night but I am comparing the video tapes closely.

The real problem with Joe the Plumber, even if he’s not some kind of republican plant or hoaxer, is that he’s a caricature. The situation he sketched out to Obama doesn’t even accurately reflect his own reality let alone that of typical small business owners. As Obama pointed out 98% of small business owners make under $250,000 a year. If it had been accurate it would still not be representative. Further more there is no reason to believe that Joe the Plumber has any special insight or understanding into the truth of the matter when if comes to tax policy or any other policy. At best he’s a snapshot of what that one person chose to project at that moment and it has gotten out of hand. At worst it’s an attempt by republicans to either create or shamelessly capitalize on what is really a meaningless moment. How much a fiction Joe the Plumber is almost doesn’t matter because no matter how you slice it, that’s what he still is…fiction.


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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2008 11:19 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Joe “the plumber” Wurzelbacher, a Natural Law Party meditator is now famous!
Posted by: cafearjun on: October 16, 2008
In: Internet| News Comment!
And finally, Joe the plumber being interviewed:

Joe the plumber - the meditator - Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher who was made famous by John Mccain in his various rants “who’s policy will suit Jo the plumber from Ohio more.. mine or Barak Obama’s??” has been identified in the public records by the plain dealer. Joe the plumber (as I’ll refer to him in this article, thanks to Mr Mccain), voted in the years 2002, 2005 and 2007 and mentioned his party as the Natural Law Party.

Presently registered as a republican, Joe “the plumber” Wurzelbacher was earlier a member of the Natural law Party from the state of Iowa, US. The Natural Law party was based on the views of baba Mahesh Yogi from India and believed in transcendental meditation and yoga.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2008 11:23 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
So it turned out that Joe the Plumber became a big part of the debate last night. Much like the Bill Ayers “connection” that McCain made a centerpoint of his failing campaign, making Joe the Plumber the centerpoint of the third debate is currently is backfire mode.

All right, now let’s deal with that loaded title…

“Joe” in in quotes because the guy’s real name is “Sam”. As in “Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher”.

Republican is not in quotes because Sam is a Republican.

Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican."

It was [Wurzelbacher's] “spread the wealth around” comment that caught the attention of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, and in discussions on the Internet. Mr. Wurzelbacher was a guest of Fox News’ Neil Cavuto on Tuesday.

“Plumber” is in quotes because a quick search of licensed plumbers named “Wurzelbacher” in Ohio turns up empty.

Racist is not in quotes because of this interview…

COURIC: Could you just, Joe, explain quickly, and then we’ll let you go, how you met both of the candidates?

WURZELBACHER: I’ve yet to meet John McCain. Obama came to my neighborhood and my son and I were outside tossing the football, and all of a sudden he showed up, and there went our football tossing for a while. And, you know, neighbors were outside asking him questions, and I didn’t think they were asking him tough enough questions, so I thought, you know, I’ll go over there. You know, I’ve always wanted to ask one of these guys a question and really corner them and get them to answer a question of"for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question but I still got a tap dance. Do you - almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.

Ooh, I tell ya, ‘dem blackies can dance!!

Now I don’t think he’s an out and out racist. And I don’t think he would actually admit it on TV, but as read his answers to the other questions begin expose a revealing pattern.

COURIC: Well, he supposedly will raise taxes only on people who make over $250,000 a year. Would you be in that category?

WURZELBACHER: Not right now at presently, but, you know, question, so he’s going to do that now for people who make $250,000 a year. When’s he going to decide that $100,000 is too much, you know? I mean, you’re on a slippery slope here. You vote on somebody who decides that $250,000 and you’re rich? And $100,000 and you’re rich? I mean, where does it end? You know, that’s - people got to ask that question.

This was before the previously posted answer (Sammie) and after this one..

COURIC: And again, why don’t you just reiterate quickly for us, Joe, because I want you to get back, get to your local news station where you are, how you felt about the statements made by the candidates vs. the statements you heard when they were out on the campaign trail talking to you.

WURZELBACHER: …

Obama speaks well, but the one thing that’s really important, that everyone in America really need to know is, you know, talk is talk. You know, he can speak pretty, but, you know, there’s got to be action behind it. We’ve seen McCain, we know his actions. Even if you disagree with him, at least you know where he stands. McCain - or Obama, we’re not sure where he stands yet, even after his debates. Like I said, he speaks eloquently, better than I do, but I honestly, I still don’t know where he stands. He’s said a lot, but none of his experience has backed it up. You know, the only experience I’ve seen or his actions are raising our taxes, so, you know, I’m middle class. I can’t have my taxes raised anymore.

[source]

I’ve put everything that I’m talking about here in italics.

Bascially is what Sam is saying, going back to the Sammie Davis, Jr. comment that he ended with (and that is important), is that he can’t trust Barach Obama because he is black. He can trust McCain because he is white. When you look at statements of candidates and records of flip-flopping objectively, both guys have done it, and McCain has a longer record of doing so, particularly in the last eight years.

Sam met Obama. Sam has ample access to the Internet and has watched the debates. To still say that you don’t understand simply stated policies and just don’t trust a guy you’ve met and researched. And the main reason you give is that the guy talks pretty?! That is a statement that sets off my b.s. alarms.

And it gets worse because the guy, Obama, isn’t planning on raising the guy, “Joe the Plumber”’s, taxes at all. As Joe mentioned, he’s not near that tax bracket. His taxes would go down under Obama’s stated plan.

But he doesn’t trust the guy, and then to give an example of how pretty he talks, he picks a black icon known for how pretty he danced.

See, here’s Obama “dancin’ like Sammie”.

Note: when you watch that knowing that Joe is making up his hypothetical income, you can see how he doesn’t really want to hear the answer, which would explain why he still doesn’t understand Obama’s tax plan.]

I know exactly what Joe was thinking while he was standing there in the sun and it’s not uncommon amoung rural Republicans.

It’s a basic distrust of someone standing in front of you, trying to answer your questions. It’s standing there, nodding your head on the outside, but calling them a liar on the inside [this is exhibited in the video above with the class "crossing the arms" X sign]. In this case, given the facts and the evidence, I think it’s fair to call that reaction racism, and Joe the Plumber needs to get over it.

He also needs to get over idiotic Republican tax policies that have stagnated working wages and accelerated executive pay for nearly 30 years, that as I point out here haven’t worked out so well for everyone.

Here is Joe talkin’ ’bout how he, you know, just can’t trust the guy.

Yea Joe. I know. I’m from Texas. I see this crap all the time.

Joe, you and I are about the same age. Please wake up.

I know you represent the last vestiges of holdouts that only have one real reason for not voting for Obama. It’s the only thing that is keeping this from being a 20-point landslide. McCain thinks this makes up a samll percentage of his support, but I would put it at upwards of 30-40%. This is the 15% of Americans that still think Obama is Muslim (assuming they are part of the 50% that vote and will do so to keep Shariah law out of the U.S). And, yes, it is that big a part of McCain’s remaining support.

Just ask Joe.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2008 11:39 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
The mainstream press is investigating Joe the plumber and exposing him as a faker used by McCain.

Toledo Blade Newspaper
Article published Thursday, October 16, 2008
SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP
'Joe the Plumber' is focus of presidential debate's first few minutes
By BRIDGET THARP and MARK ZABORNEY
BLADE STAFF WRITERS

The story of "Joe the Plumber" - Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township - became a centerpiece of the early minutes of the presidential debate last night.

And Joe the Plumber became the subject of national and international interest.

Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, was more interested in taking in the debate than in assessing his place in presidential politics.

"Honestly, I'm a small part of it," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. "They're just using me as an example right now for the American public. I think they're discussing more important is-sues."

He excused himself so he could finish watching Barack Obama and John McCain debate.

'JOE THE PLUMBER' SPEAKS

But after the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher expressed some embarrassment that he was now known across America as Joe the Plumber.

REGISTERED VOTER?
Questions were being raised Thursday morning whether Mr. Wurzelbacher is a registered voter.

Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.

Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database.

"There's a lot more important issues than me, and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable with it," he said. "Everyone's more worried about what Joe the Plumber has to say than what Obama or McCain has to say."

While watching the debate at home with his father, he was interrupted several times by calls from the national media including CNN, Fox News, and Good Morning America. In addition, CNBC, ABC News, the Wall Street Journal, the Houston Chronicle, and the BBC called The Blade in their quest to reach Joe the Plumber.

Mr. Wurzelbacher and Mr. Obama had something of a debate Sunday as the candidate walked house to house on Shrewsbury at the start of the candidate's four-day visit in the Toledo area.

He told Mr. Obama that he was trying to buy a plumbing business.

"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr. Wurzelbacher said Sunday.

Mr. Obama didn't win Mr. Wurzelbacher's support on Sunday, and he didn't change his mind last night.
( THE BLADE/LORI KING )

Mr. Obama said, in part, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success, too.

"I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

The exchange was caught on videotape and was broadcast on a variety of news outlets and put on numerous Web sites, including YouTube.

It was the "spread the wealth around" comment that caught the attention of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, and in discussions on the Internet. Mr. Wurzelbacher was a guest of Fox News' Neil Cavuto on Tuesday.

During the debate, Mr. McCain challenged Mr. Obama: "Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business, but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes."

"You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream," Mr. McCain said.

Mr. McCain then looked directly into the television camera and said: "Joe, I want to tell you, I'll not only help you buy that business that you worked your whole life for and I'll keep your taxes low and I'll provide available and affordable health care for you and your employees. And I will not stand for a tax increase on small-business income."

Mr. Obama denied that was true.

"Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks because they are the drivers of the economy," Mr. Obama said. "They produce the most jobs."

Mr. Wurzelbacher came up again when the debate turned to a discussion of health-care policies.

Mr. McCain charged that Mr. Obama's plan would fine the company Mr. Wurzelbacher wanted to buy; Mr. Obama said small businesses were exempt.

"Hey Joe, you're rich. Congratulations," Mr. McCain said mockingly.

Mr. Obama didn't win Mr. Wurzelbacher's support on Sunday, and he didn't change his mind last night.

He did allow, "Obama, you can't take away that he's a damn good speaker."

Overall, though, Mr. Wurzelbacher was pleased with Mr. McCain's performance.

"McCain was doing much better this time," he said. "McCain came across with some solid points. I like his tax cuts."

But he said Mr. Obama's health-care plan scares him.

"It's just one step closer to socialism," he said.

He said he hopes both candidates will talk about family and family values before the November election because he believes problems such as education and senior health care should come back to families taking care of each other. "Sense of family has to be brought back," Mr. Wurzelbacher said.

He added: "I believe there was too much emphasis put on me. The debate was more important."
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Information from the Associated Press was used in this report.
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