The Pornification of a Culture

Edgar- Funny you should mention porn. I am listening to an audio book called,
"The Brain that Changes Itself", by Norman Doige. It explores the thesis that the brain is plastic, and can be "rewired" to improve performance, overcome deficiencies, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/Brain-That-Changes-Itself-Frontiers/dp/0143113100/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223750064&sr=1-1

Before I want on A2K, I was listening to a chapter about pornography, where Doige relates obsessive internet porn viewing as an addiction, and explains how the brain rewires itself to desire more and more porn, often to the detriment of actual relationships.You might want to take a look at the book.[/b]

It sure is. An evolutionist acting like Saint Annie when the chips are down. Your Christian petticoats are showing Ed. Your Darwinianism is just a pose to get yourself attention and to allow you easy pot-shots like the above which has zero beef. Explain yourself. You can say anything you wish is "horse ****". It's infantile.

Tell me why you have a need to restrict the freedoms of young ladies before a certain chronological age limit which you happen to approve of and to ignore their obvious propensity, which we can assume is biological, to engage in these activities, bearing in mind that all psychologists agree that such restrictions are harmful to them, and thus over-ride biology with Christian teaching.

This thread is impossible in anything other than an increasingly secular world and you are one of those promoting secularisation. It could look that you are more interested in having two targets to throw your insults at than in having your motives logically consistent.

If you want to ditch Christian thinking at least have the manners to accept the inevitable consequences. You have allowed yourself to think that a young lady is unspoilt for marriage by losing her virginity (her honour) and that it's okay to let abortionists loose on children in the safety of a mother's womb so why are you excercised with this itsy-bitsy topic?

That looks to be an interesting book.

this is true, but we are talking about sexual expression in culture which is not porn. The better guide for what happens when a society becomes addicted to superficial sexuality is Brazil. There many people organize their entire lives around carnival season, will make an sacrifice in order to be able to project physical beauty. The brain does rewire to make sexuality more important to the point that important other stuff gets neglected. This is the basis for the Christian repression of sexuality.

spendi
Lately, your arguments against evolution have centered on the destruction of religious-built cultures, as a result of people accepting "Darwinism." Well, it was evolution led to the building of those cultures, in the guise of religion and whatever else was involved, for better or worse. In just the same way, the future will be so determined, whether the religious allow the truth to be pursued or not. You cannot stop reality from being present with the suppression of its study and adoption.

The non religious have as great a stake in a healthy, stable, society as do the religious.

Yes, but they do not promote the creation of such a society. Strong society is born of common belief and common purpose, much of both are promoted by religion. With out religion society can not be stable and strong. Until recently the American religion was consumerism, what will replace it I don't know, but something must.

Yes-- what Spengler called the "Second Religiousness."

Ed-- obviously the non religious have a stake in a healthy, stable society. That doesn't mean they know how to get one. That's what the argument is about and not about who has a stake in it.

Professor Greer says somewhere that older women try to restrict young girls in their natural sexual expression in order to reduce competition. Without a religious ethic in the matter, and Christians have not always had one, that reason is the only sensible one left.

It is impossible to inhibit the urge in young girls by regulations. So if you buy it bloody-well eat it and stop getting all prissy. Media can't cater for an impulse that doesn't exist. The Media focus, a big money bet incidentally, is scientific proof of the strength of the impulse and evolution theory is stood on its head trying to inhibit it.

I call bullshit.

what assertion do you call bullshit???

What leads you to such a witless and useless conclusion DD. Surely you have an argument to support your contention. Let's be hearing it. This is a discussion not a mud-slinging competion.

This is just another "You must believe my unfounded compulsion to have an all Christian world, regardless of facts" diversion. It has nothing in common with what it takes to have a society that meets the needs of humanity. In fact, if you take your tack, there is a lot to be said for religion disrupting the best interests of every society since the beginning of known history. I am not going to keep sidetracking this thread for you, spendi. I am going to thumbs down any new contributions from you. Other people will have to decide how they want to handle the topic.

Sigh. And another perfectly good thread bites the dust because mud slinging is so difficult to resist whether it be due to partisan politics, religion, or social values.

That's a long-winded version of "I'm stumped". And running off the field to the Mom's Apron aka the Ignore button.

That's a short version of, you are so screwed in your thinking, and you are hijacking my thread. So, good bye on this thread only.

I'm not mud slinging Foxy. I'm trying to discuss the pornification of culture and that involves the causes of it and not just exhibitions of throwing the arms in the air in shock-horror after the event.

I'm saying secularisation is the cause and Ed promotes that. I don't see how pornification of the culture, and the young, can be avoided under strict secular principles outside of North Korean style indoctrination procedures.

Can you?

I hated to do it, but I put the guy on ignore. In a few days or weeks, I will probably reverse that.

Why would anybody start a discussion if they are unprepared to let others have their say? They already have everybody who isn't going to stroke their sensitivities on Ignore when they start out like that.

That's not discussion. It isn't as if my position is peculiar to me.

Media is in the frame for the pornification of culture, as has been said. And for obvious financial reasons. And Media is a key member of the anti-ID coalition.

And I haven't even said whether I'm in favour or not. Sarah Bernhardt's mother was pornifying her at about 11. Look at the papers and tickets she sold.