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Tonight's VP debate

 
 
SYNRON
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:00 pm
@blatham,
Blotham- I remember your avatar when you were dressed in your Mountie suit. you looked so nice. Has your doctor forbidden you to wear it ever again?

I read the unfortunate recount of your massive heart attack. It's tough to give up smoking isn't it. Try a hookah.

Do you ever go back to your homeland-Canada? or are you convinced that, despite the fact that you hate everything about the United States that you can't abide the waiting lines that the Canadians have in their health service.

I don't blameyou, but remember--no smoking.It's not good for you.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:05 pm
@dlowan,
Hi bunny

I suppose he is out on temporary release. Hard not to feel sorry for the poor fellow, particularly when he is completely invisible and inaudible.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:06 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OCCOM BILL wrote:

They have politics in common, but that's about it.

I'd say they have their attitude in common, their temperament, and their visceral disdain for anything and anyone Democratic or liberal. In addition to many of their views, however more sophisticated Finn expresses them. That's quite a lot. Finn's just a lot smarter. And, you know, not insane and all that.
SYNRON
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:13 pm
@blatham,
Blotham--do you still have that Mountie suit that was in your avatar? You looked so good in it.

Have you gone back home to Canada or, despite the fact that you strongly dislike almost everything American, you are staying here to get the best medical care in the world. I understand that the Canadian health system has very long lines.

I read the report about your massive heart attack. So sorry. I am sure that now you are back to good health, but remember, no smoking and watch your diet and make sure your cholesterol is as low as possible.

I would have hoped that illness would have mellowed you but you appear to be the same disgruntled Canadian expatriate you always were

You really should make a visit back home but take all of your ID. Border crossing are hell lately. It just wouldn't do to have you imprisoned in that icy land!
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SYNRON
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:20 pm
@nimh,
Do you really think so,Nimh? Please don't say anything about mental illness. I did not realize that you were a trained Psychologist. Who should I go to for treatment? Ted Kennedy's doctor? Or perhaps I should go to a spiritual healer like the Reverend Wright. As long as I attended services with adusky lady, he might let me in. Just to hear him say--God Damn America and The USA was complicit in the 9/11 attacks and Aids was invented by US doctors to keep the black population from growing,might just cure me.

By the way, are you really a psychologist?

I thought you were a sociologist who was trying to rebuild Budapest!

Good luck in that Socialist hell hole. Did you say that you pay 50% of your salary to taxes?

That is not good for your mental state,Nimh. Are you sure you are not projecting?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:33 pm
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

They have politics in common, but that's about it.

I'd say they have their attitude in common, their temperament, and their visceral disdain for anything and anyone Democratic or liberal. In addition to many of their views, however more sophisticated Finn expresses them. That's quite a lot. Finn's just a lot smarter. And, you know, not insane and all that.
Laughing I reckon I consider those substantial differences more compelling you do.
SYNRON
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 08:46 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Oh no, You are too simple sir, You could have said a great many things but you have neither the wit or the letters, Of wit,you never had an atom and of letters you need but three to set you down--ASS--An Ass.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 06:59 am
@SYNRON,
I hate to break up the sophomoric bickering and name calling going on in here Rolling Eyes but I think it's time for a laugh break.

SNL did a great parody of the Palin/Biden debate last night. It's very funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkB7QAMiQMU
sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 07:40 am
@firefly,
Transcript here... awesome!

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/tina_fey_as_sarah_palin_nails.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 10:14 am
@firefly,
firefly and soz, Right to the point and the message; why is it that conservatives fail to see through all this BS?

I think MSNBC is going to show the vp debates again tonite, but with editorials shown on the bottom of the screen to interpret what both said. It should be interesting.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 11:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'm posting another link to the SNL debate parody, because the other clip is no longer available. No matter how many times I watch this, it still has me laughing.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/

blatham
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 12:16 pm
@firefly,
Absolutely brilliant. thankyou, firefly
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 12:18 pm
@firefly,
Excellent! Humor can cut through the BS that many conservatives fail to see. LOL
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SYNRON
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 01:37 pm
@firefly,
Yes, That was funny but did you see the parody on Fox News which had Obama sitting on a throne that had a heading around it noting that he was KING OF CHICAGO CORRUPTION? You didn't? I will be glad to describe it for you unless you are fearful of the truth. But, like most, you probably can't handle the truth.

I am sure that you have never learned that Obama, the lying piece of ****, went into the offices lof the Chicago Sun Times on March 14, 200u to answer questions from the newspapers editorial staff and investigative reporters.

The Sun-Times bluntly asked Obama-

"'WHY DIDNT THE ALARM BELLS GO OFF WHEN YOU AGREED TO BUT A 10 FOOT WIDE STRIP OF PROPERTY TO BUFFER YOUR HOME FROM REZKO AT THE SAME TIME THAT REPORTS WERE COMING OUT THAT HE WAS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR ALLEGED INFLUENCE PEDDLING."

The inner city sleazebag, Obama, answered-

"Probably because I had known him for a long time adn he had acted in an above manner with me and I considered him a friend. IN RETROSPECT IT SHOULD HAVE SO THIS WAS A MISTAKE ON MY PART."

The Tribune grilled Obama about whether he and Rezko had COORDINATED THEIR BIDS so Obama could afford to buy the home at a discounted prince, OBAMA ADMITTED ADMITTED ADMITTED HE AND REZKO had toured the home together before making offers.

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Then, on March 13, 2008, the Sun Times questioned Obama closely--"You told us in November that your best estimate was that Rezko raised somewhere between %50,000 and $60,000 during your political career. Since then your campaign has given back $157,000 in Rezko related contri butions. Now the total is What".

Obama, the brilliant one, replied "that the original estimate was based ona figure his staff gave him" BUT, that's the same excuse used by President Bush with regard to Intelligence about Iraq.

Obama is slimy and dirty!

Rezko wsa indicted for indulging in extorting political kickbacks.

But, of course,Obama, was never ever involved in doing anythingillegal.

More to come about the piece of **** named Obama!
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 10:24 pm
@SYNRON,
Seems to me, McCain's history of poor judgement warrents a good look.


Quote:
The current economic crisis demands that we understand John McCain's attitudes about economic oversight and corporate influence in federal regulation. Nothing illustrates the danger of his approach more clearly than his central role in the savings and loan scandal of the late '80s and early '90s.

John McCain was accused of improperly aiding his political patron, Charles Keating, chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association. The bipartisan Senate Ethics Committee launched investigations and formally reprimanded Senator McCain for his role in the scandal -- the first such Senator to receive a major party nomination for president.

At the heart of the scandal was Keating's Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which took advantage of deregulation in the 1980s to make risky investments with its depositors' money. McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating with federal regulators tasked with preventing banking fraud, and championed legislation to delay regulation of the savings and loan industry -- actions that allowed Keating to continue his fraud at an incredible cost to taxpayers.

When the savings and loan industry collapsed, Keating's failed company put taxpayers on the hook for $3.4 billion and more than 20,000 Americans lost their savings. John McCain was reprimanded by the bipartisan Senate Ethics Committee, but the ultimate cost of the crisis to American taxpayers reached more than $120 billion.

The Keating scandal is eerily similar to today's credit crisis, where a lack of regulation and cozy relationships between the financial industry and Congress has allowed banks to make risky loans and profit by bending the rules. And in both cases, John McCain's judgment and values have placed him on the wrong side of history.




And newspapers have questioned McCain's ethics as well...


McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five
The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate

By Tom Fitzpatrick
published: November 29, 1989

You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con man who bears such an incredible resemblance to The Joker.

Obviously, Keating thought you could make it to the White House, too.

He poured $112,000 into your political campaigns. He became your friend. He threw fund raisers in your honor. He even made a sweet shopping-center investment deal for your wife, Cindy. Your father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was cut in on the deal, too.

Nothing was too good for you. Why not? Keating saw you as a prime investment that would pay off in the future.

So he flew you and your family around the country in his private jets. Time after time, he put you up for serene, private vacations at his vast, palatial spa in the Bahamas. All of this was so grand. You were protected from what Thomas Hardy refers to as "the madding crowd." It was almost as though you were already staying at a presidential retreat.

Like the old song, that now seems "Long ago and far away."

Since Keating's collapse, you find yourself doing obscene things to save yourself from the Senate Ethics Committee's investigation. As a matter of course, you engage in backbiting behavior that will turn you into an outcast in the Senate if you do survive.

They say that if you put five lobsters into a pot and give them a chance to escape, none will be able to do so before you light the fire. Each time a lobster tries to climb over the top, his fellow lobsters will pull him back down. It is the way of lobsters and threatened United States senators.

And, of course, that's the way it is with the Keating Five. You are all battling to save your own hides. So you, McCain, leak to reporters about who did Keating's bidding in pressuring federal regulators to change the rules for Lincoln Savings and Loan.

When the reporters fail to print your tips quickly enough--as in the case of your tip on Michigan Senator Donald Riegle--you call them back and remind them how important it is to get that information in the newspapers.

The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate. The outcome will be decided, not in a courtroom, but probably on national television.

Those who survive will be the sociopaths who can tell a lie with the most sincere, straight face. You are especially adept at this.

Last Friday night, on The John McLaughlin Show, which features well-known Washington journalists, the subject of the Keating Five was discussed. Panelist Jack Germond suggested that three of the Keating Five were probably already through in politics.

So you spend your days desperately trying to make sure you will be one of the survivors. You keep volunteering to go on radio and television stations to protest your innocence. Last week you made ABC's Nightline.

Not long before that you somehow managed to get James Kilpatrick, the national columnist, to write a favorable paragraph about you. Last Sunday morning, you made it to national television again; this time on ABC's This Week With David Brinkley. You smiled at the panel with your usual studied insouciance. Sitting next to you was Senator John Glenn of Ohio.

Brinkley, Sam Donaldson, and George Will were the interrogators.
It was a sobering scene. There you sat with Glenn, both sweating before the cameras, waiting to answer questions: two badly tarnished American icons.

No one forgets that Glenn was the first American astronaut to orbit the Earth. You won't let anyone forget that you were a prisoner of war. But you have played that tune too long. By now your constant reminders about your war record make you seem like a modern version of Arthur Miller's tragic failure Willy Loman.

Clearly, both you and Glenn sold your fame for Charles Keating's money.

It was a Faustian bargain. It was also a bad joke on the rest of us and a disaster for many old people who lost their life's savings to Keating.

The money was never really Keating's to give. But he never would have got his hands on it if you and the rest of the Keating Five didn't halt the government takeover for two long years while Keating's people continued their looting.

And now, the tab for the Savings and Loan heist must be paid from taxpayer pockets.

On Sunday, Senators Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, and Riegle refused offers to appear on the Brinkley show. What must we make of that?

You, the closest of them to Keating and the deepest in his debt, have chosen the path of the hard sell. You may even make it out of the pot, but to many, your protestations of innocence taste like gall.

You are determined to bluff your way. You will stick to your story that you were acting to help a constituent and intended to do nothing improper. The very fact you attended the meeting makes you guilty, just as every man who entered the Brinks vault went to prison.

You insist that an accounting firm Keating hired told you Lincoln was sound. Alan Greenspan, who Keating also hired, wrote a report saying it was sound. Why shouldn't you believe the people Keating hired? You were, after all, fellow employees.

Perhaps you might silence your own conscience about all this someday.

Just keep telling everyone that it was your wife's money invested in that shopping center with Keating and that you knew nothing about it.

Keep saying that cynical newspaper people don't understand that every move you make has always been for the enrichment of Arizona . . . the education of our Native Americans on the reservations . . . for the love of the elderly in Sun City and Green Valley.

Keep telling them that it wasn't that you were bought off but that Charlie Keating got special help only because he was one of the biggest employers in the state.

Just keep sitting there and staring into the camera and denying that Keating bought you for money and jet plane trips and vacations.

So what if he gave you $112,000? Just keep smiling at the cameras and saying you did nothing wrong.

Maybe the voters will understand you took those tiring trips to Charlie's place in the Bahamas in their behalf. Certainly, they can understand you wanted to take your family along. A senator deserves to travel on private jets, removed from the awful crush of public transportation.

You sought out a master criminal like Keating and became his friend. Now you've discarded him. It shouldn't be surprising that you are now in the process of selling out your senatorial accomplices.

You're John McCain, clearly the guiltiest, most culpable and reprehensible of the Keating Five. But you know the power of television and you realize this is the only way you can possibly save your political career.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 10:38 pm
@firefly,
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/3/M/2/palin-in-debate.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 09:30 am
@firefly,
Palin: my choice was head and tails.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 10:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Palin: my choice was head and tails.


a true maverick. http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2191_throwing_up.gif
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mason738
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 11:26 am
@firefly,
A great opinion. I am so tired of hearing about the madeup accusations about Barack Obama when McCain was highly involved in the Keating 5 scandal. I do hope that Obama reminds McCain of that when and if McCain brings up the foolishness about Anton Rezko and the so called Bomber man
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 11:39 am
@mason738,
mason, McCain's involvement in the bailout is more telling; he stopped his campaign to help our country pass this legislation, and the republicans were the ones who didn't vote for it (by 2/3ds). McCain also lied about "stopping his campaign." He also said he wouldn't be able to participate in the debate because he was needed to be in Washington DC. During the white house meeting, McCain offered nothing, except his trying to take credit that delayed the meeting for 2-3 hours. Everybody in that meeting said Obama offered his suggestions that was needed in the legislation.

If we look at the recent events of the McCain campaign, it's all been bait and switch. Now, because they can't talk about the economy, they're trying their best to smear Obama's name.

What's so attractive about McCain-Palin to the conservatives? Makes you wonder where their heads are. I can guess, but it's so obvious, it doesn't need to be detailed here.
 

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