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Guyana settlement Jonestown

 
 
Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2008 02:12 pm
In November of 1978, 913 people out of 1,100 people committed suicide in Guyana in a settlement called Jonestown. This settlement was ruled by a person named Jim Jones. He held psychological control of the inhabitants.

If Jim Jones was profiled before Senator Leo Ryan and members of his party were killed, would there have been such an incident?

* Would there have been a mass suicide?
* What would cause hundreds of people to willingly take poison?
* What would have been the constitutional ramifications of profiling Jim Jones before such an incident?
* Could there have been a cursory profile based on newspaper accounts of the People's Temple?
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 03:49 am
@aquagirl622,
What do you think?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 04:08 am
@aquagirl622,
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If Jim Jones was profiled before Senator Leo Ryan and members
of his party were killed, would there have been such an incident?

That is uncertain, Aquagirl.
It depends upon the results of the profiling,
who BELIEVED them, and how well thay were disseminated.




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Would there have been a mass suicide?

Yes


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What would cause hundreds of people to willingly take poison?

Jones' demagogery and Jones' police, who shot anyone who chose not to drink.


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What would have been the constitutional ramifications
of profiling Jim Jones before such an incident?

None


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Could there have been a cursory profile
based on newspaper accounts of the People's Temple?

Yes





David

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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 09:28 am
@aquagirl622,
This is the subject of a recently published book:
"Raven: The Untold Story of the Rev. Jim Jones and His People details the life and ultimate demise of Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple. Written by journalist Tim Reiterman, the book reviews the history of the Peoples Temple. The book includes numerous interviews, audio tapes and documents among its hundreds of sources. The book received generally positive reception."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_(book)
Puppy Love
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2011 06:06 pm
@aquagirl622,
First, very few took the poison willingly. Most (the majority) were either held down and injected, and killed that way. The tiny few that took it willingly either had to watch their children die, were threatened or felt no way out. Armed guards lined the pavilion.

This was in no way a mass suicide. People did not line up and drink the poison to die in a "revolutionary" suicidal way. People were screaming, frothing at the mouth, holding their stomachs doubled over in pain after they were either forced to drink or were injected.

There were at least two people that probably (we don't know for sure) drank without question, due to their previous problems with suicidal tendencies before Jonestown. We figure they probably in fact drank it first.

It seems there probably would have been an incident, whether Leo Ryan was killed or not. The facts show that Dr. Larry Schaact wanted to test the poison on pigs in the Jonestown piggery months before it all happened. There was another memo that asked "what do we do with those that don't wish to die?" This was also dated months before any of the murders took place. This was planned long before any of the killing of people began.

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Puppy Love
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2011 06:07 pm
@Ragman,
Mr. Reiterman published this book a long time ago. He has since rewritten many areas and has republished it. He apologized to the survivors (at least a few) for the first book.
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