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Can today's soldiers handle traditional and counterinsurgency warfare?

 
 
Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 10:40 am
August 15, 2008
Can today's soldiers handle traditional and COIN warfare?
Posted by Nancy Youssef - McClatchy Blog

As the Pentagon, White House and State Department were debating what the U.S. response to the fighting in Georgia should be, I discovered this week’s events set off a fierce debate amongst some troops about U.S. military readiness.

Could U.S. forces swiftly move from the counterinsurgency fight they are battling in Iraq and Afghanistan to the kind of traditional warfare that broke out in Georgia, they asked.

Since the Iraq war began, the U.S. military has been adapting a counterinsurgency strategy as quickly as it can. Now, the military is one behemoth small-moving organization, so the pace seems sluggish to most, but it’s been an extraordinary turnaround by Defense Department standards.

Many embraced the change because of the task at hand in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I think some were quick to adopt counterinsurgency because they didn’t think the U.S. would have to fight a traditional war anytime soon.

And then Georgia happened.

Suddenly, soldiers " many retired " began sending out emails to comrades, asking if the United States could handle a traditional, state-vs-state war, if one suddenly broke out. One side argued that the military has spent so much time readying for a counterinsurgency fight, soldiers have forgotten how to fight traditional wars. Or at least, they haven’t trained for one in far too long. I can’t tell you how many times I hear about Infantrymen who haven’t trained in marksmanship in years because they are in the middle of Arabic class or cultural studies or what have you.

The other side contends that today’s soldier is better than the best traditional fighter in U.S. history. The average company commander is better than the best general in the 1990s. They can adapt better than any force in the world. And while they have been focused on counterinsurgency, they have fought battles too " in Najaf, Ramadi, Baquaba and Baghdad.

Can today’s soldier handle both? Since the administration has decided to send in humanitarian " and not combat " troops into Georgia, the U.S. military won’t have to answer that question " yet.


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 10:57 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
the answer is no so far as the Army goes. The Army has been used-up in Iraq, there for years has been no significant time to train for traditional warfare. Also, about a month ago Gates came out with a new policy that mandates that for the foreseeable future training will focus on small operations and non-traditional warfare. The Georgia event may change this however, as all now see Russia in a new light. It is now clear that the two decade effort to bring Russia into the ways of the West has failed. It is now clear that Russia will be continuing to attempt to put the empire back together, thus America and Europe need to have a response.
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2008 11:02 am
@hawkeye10,
I respect Bob Gates because he did not fall in line to Bush's political demands. I hope he is reviewing every policy that Rumsfeld established. At least, Gates seems to be concerned about the troops. Rumsfeld didn't give a damn. He was more interested in establishing his new pentagon programs and reform of the military. He missed on all accounts.

BBB
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2008 12:33 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BBB, not to worry, George has it covered. as far as a pandemic flu outbreak or other emergency like civil dissidence etc ... tail wagging the dog scenario.

Canada, U.S. agree to use each other's troops in civil emergencies
David Pugliese , Canwest News Service
Published: Friday, February 22, 2008

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.

The U.S. military's Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.
American soldiers arrive on board the HMCS TORONTO as part of a training exercise in carrying out a NATO presence patrol in the Indian Ocean near Somalia. A new agreement between the U.S. and Canadian militaries has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.
American soldiers arrive on board the HMCS TORONTO as part of a training exercise in carrying out a NATO presence patrol in the Indian Ocean near Somalia. A new agreement between the U.S. and Canadian militaries has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.
The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.

The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which is campaigning against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, is raising concerns about the deal.

"It's kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites," said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.

Trew said there is potential for the agreement to militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. He noted that work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.

"Are we going to see (U.S.) troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?" he asked.

Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. "We don't know the answers because the government doesn't want to even announce the plan," he said.

But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.

He said the agreement is "benign" and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.

"But there's no agreement to allow troops to come in," he said. "It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The 'allow' piece is entirely up to the two governments."

If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.

News of the deal, and the allegation it was kept secret in Canada, is already making the rounds on left-wing blogs and Internet sites as an example of the dangers of the growing integration between the two militaries.

On right-wing blogs in the U.S. it is being used as evidence of a plan for a "North American union" where foreign troops, not bound by U.S. laws, could be used by the American federal government to override local authorities.

"Co-operative militaries on Home Soil!" notes one website. "The next time your town has a 'national emergency,' don't be surprised if Canadian soldiers respond. And remember - Canadian military aren't bound by posse comitatus."

Posse comitatus is a U.S. law that prohibits the use of federal troops from conducting law enforcement duties on domestic soil unless approved by Congress.

Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.

Scanlon said the actual agreement hasn't been released to the public as that requires approval from both nations. That decision has not yet been taken, he added.


© Ottawa Citizen 2008
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2008 04:46 pm
@Gelisgesti,
score 5 for the anti political socially correct fraction .... doomed DOOMED WE'RE ALL DOOMED
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