Evolution and Genes

It's as simple as "survival."

Rex, It's not about "thinking" for an egg.

It's really not the "fittest egg" that survives. I have scrambled eggs about three times a month.

You are not giving any scientific evidence to dispute me.

Have you ever heard of a hen's egg magically coming to life without being fertilized by a rooster?

Just as gravity is a unique property of matter, life is a unique property of the Y chromosome.

RexRed wrote:

You are not giving any scientific evidence to dispute me.

You are not giving any evidence to prove your point. Why should the burden of proof be on me when you can't even come up with a single piece of evidence to back up your pseudo-scientific nonsense?

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Have you ever heard of a hen's egg magically coming to life without being fertilized by a rooster?

No, but the Desert Grassland Whiptails can give birth to offspring without the need of males. In fact, there are no males in that species. They have no Y chromosome, as they are lizards.

Likewise, in bee colonies, unfertilised eggs become female worker drones. No need for a male.

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Just as gravity is a unique property of matter, life is a unique property of the Y chromosome.

The Y chromosome is only present in mammalian males. Reptiles do not have Y chromsomes. Hence, according to you only mammals are alive. Reptiles are dead. Flies are dead. Insects are dead.

What, may I ask, does the Y chromsome do to instill life in an unfertilised egg? What does it do? You can't say it instills life in an egg if the sperm involved contains an X chromsome, for it will not have a Y chromosome at all.

Furthermore, what do you think a Y chromsome is? What is it? What do genes do you think it contains?

I have presented basic biological facts. You have presented no facts. Yet you have the nerve to put the burden of proof on me?

Plants are alive too they are referred to as "still life"...

would you call that the same "life" that mammals share?

RexRed wrote:

Plants are alive too they are referred to as "still life"...

Really? Who refers to them as still life? To me, still life is an artistic term that applies to a particular art form.

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would you call that the same "life" that mammals share?

I see, you're not interested in defending your position. You just spout out baseless assertions, then insist we take you seriously.

I have already countered your earlier assertions about the Y chromsome by stating common knowledge: that the Y chromosome is not present in non-mammalian species, that it is possible for organisms to reproduce without a male and stating what exactly the Y chromsome codes for.

Plants obviously don't share the same kind of life that mammals do, but then again, bats don't exactly share the same kind of life that humans do. This, however, is irrelevant.

You stated that the Y chromsome is the spark of life. Yet there are many other organisms out there, many of which outnumber mammals, that do not even have a Y chromosome. Your original assertion implied that only organisms with a Y chromosome are alive. Now you're changing your tact, which is understandable seeing as the information you now have contradicts your original assertion.

However, I bet that you are still holding on to your original premise about the importance of the Y chromosome. Despite the fact that Richard Lenski managed to prove that evolution occurs without the Y chromosome with his E. coli experiment, thus disproving your very first baseless assertion, and that I have given you two examples of organisms that can reproduce without a male.

Now tell me, what is your assertion again and what evidence do you have to back it up?

What part of the DNA is life? You don't know this answer yet you still speak about life authoritatively as if you do know.

The father's Y chromosome contributes a part to a female even though she does not have a Y chromosome of her own.

The Y chromosome contributes a nearly invisible part, the life that is within the daughter female.

X being a body (shell/egg) type thing and Y being a living (sperm) type thing.

This saying, a female would not be "alive" if it were not for the Y influence in reproduction.

Body X and Soul Y
This has been known for thousands of years...

Junk DNA in Y-chromosome control functions: scientists

Hyderabad, Nov. 24 (PTI): Scientists at the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) here have demonstrated that junk DNA in human Y-chromosome control the function of a gene located in another chromosome.

For long, the scientific community believed that 97 per cent of DNA material is junk and has no specific role to play in the functioning of organs.

"The study, published in the international journal Genome Research, will open up a new approach to unravel the function of the non-coding DNA in our genome," CCMB Director Lalji Singh, who led the research effort, told reporters here today.

The Y-chromosome is present only in men. Two-thirds of it contains repetitive DNA that has been thought of as junk or useless.

However, the CCMB study clearly demonstrated that the Y-chromosomal junk DNA interacts and controls the function of a gene located in another chromosome that is not limited to a sex.

"The study shows unequivocal evidence, for the first time, that 40 mega base repeat block of the Y-chromosome, which was earlier perceived as junk DNA, is transcribed into RNA and controls the expression of a protein by a mechanism described as trans-splicing," Singh said.

Life is carried on pollen, life is divided, life is propagated by many mediums and the Y chromosome can certainly be one of those mediums that transmit "life" to it's progeny.

You Creationists and your insistence on using the word, "kind", a meaningless unscientific word that you can twist to your own liking whenever a scientist provides an answer you don't like. Honestly!

Yeah. Not like the scientific word 'species' Rolling Eyes

Just try getting an evolutionist to give you a firm criteria for 'species'. Laughing

They run like their pants are on fire.

Hey Wolf, what is the dividing line between one species and another?



What's the creationist's interpretation or criteria for "species?"

We do not need Darwin to see that we belong with other animals. A little observation of our lives soon leads to the same conclusion. Still, since science has today an authority that common experience cannot rival, let us note that Darwin teaches that species are only assemblies of genes, interacting at random with each other and their shifting environments. Species cannot control their fates. Species do not exist. This applies equally to humans. Yet it is forgotten whenever people talk of "progress of mankind". They have put their faith in an abstraction that no one would think of taking seriously if it were not formed from cast-off Christian hopes.

spendi, There's a huge difference between reading "decent books" and really understanding its content. Your use of quotes from your many readings usually are non-sequitur in nature; it just doesn't follow from the topic being discussed.

this article:

Junk DNA in Y-chromosome control functions: scientists

Hyderabad, Nov. 24 (PTI): Scientists at the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) here have demonstrated that junk DNA in human Y-chromosome control the function of a gene located in another chromosome.

For long, the scientific community believed that 97 per cent of DNA material is junk and has no specific role to play in the functioning of organs.

"The study, published in the international journal Genome Research, will open up a new approach to unravel the function of the non-coding DNA in our genome," CCMB Director Lalji Singh, who led the research effort, told reporters here today.

The Y-chromosome is present only in men. Two-thirds of it contains repetitive DNA that has been thought of as junk or useless.

However, the CCMB study clearly demonstrated that the Y-chromosomal junk DNA interacts and controls the function of a gene located in another chromosome that is not limited to a sex.

"The study shows unequivocal evidence, for the first time, that 40 mega base repeat block of the Y-chromosome, which was earlier perceived as junk DNA, is transcribed into RNA and controls the expression of a protein by a mechanism described as trans-splicing," Singh said.