Wed 18 Jun, 2008 02:02 pm
Winter hill in the background, all the transmissions for normal television, radio etc are broadcast via these masts.

I understand the Police and Ambulance Service as well as Manchester Airport make use of the masts up here.

I knew a guy who worked on the maintenance up here for a few years. He got fed up with it though. Said it were bloody cold up there in winter especially.

I bet it was too


There is quite a bit of History attached to Winter hill and I have put a few leads on below taken from The Internet.

{From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia}

All very interesting.

Winter Hill is a hill in Lancashire, England. It is located on Rivington Moor between Chorley and Bolton and is 456 metres (1,496 ft) high. Part of the West Pennine Moors, it is a popular walking area, and has been the setting for UFO sightings, mining activity, aeroplane disasters and murders.

Its prominent position made it the ideal site for the Winter Hill TV Mast, transmitting to a large part of North West England. There also a number of other telecommunicationmasts and towers around the summit and side of the hill for mobile phones, PMR users and emergency services.

Paths to the summit lead from Belmont, Horwich, Rivington and Bolton. The hill is a distinctive feature on the skyline for most of south Lancashire, being the highest point west of the Pennines in Lancashire, and further due to its unusual shape.

In clear weather conditions, it offers views over Greater Manchester, including Manchester city centre, the Civic Centre in Oldham, Salford, Werneth Low and nearby Bolton. It also offers views of Blackpool Tower, Snaefell in the Isle of Man, the Cumbrian mountains, Snowdonia in North Wales, Liverpool, Southport, the Irish Sea, Peak District, the Pennines and much of the North West of England.

The nearby Rivington area is home to the gardens of the late Lord Leverhulme. These included a large bungalow now demolished and Chinese gardens which still remain today.

There is a Bronze Age round cairn dating from 1600-1400 BC on the hill.

A flint arrow head has also been found in the area.[citation needed]

Plane crashes

On February 27, 1958, a Silver CityBristol 170 Freighter (G-AICS) travelling from the Isle of Man to Manchester crashed into Winter Hill several hundred yards away from the transmitter.
Thirty-five people died and seven were injured.

[2]. The weather that night was so severe that none of the engineers working in the ITA transmitting station were aware of the crash.

[3] Several feet of snow hampered rescue efforts, and a snow cat vehicle had to be diverted from the A6 to cut a path for emergency vehicles though the track had been cleared by people using spades by the time it arrived.

There have been several other aircraft crashes around Winter Hill.

A two seater aircraft crashed there in the 1920s. During World War II an American Fairchild UC-61 Forwarder (41-54885) of 5th Air Depot Group crashed on 7 August1942.

In the following year, on 16 November1943, the crew of a Wellington Bomber (Z8799) from 28 Operational Training Unit, flying from Blackpool to Manchester, were killed when it crashed just to the North of Winter Hill, on Hurst Hill, Anglezarke Moor.

The following month, 24 December1943, an Airspeed Oxford (BM837) of 410 Squadron crashed on the hill.

Other crashes have included several Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Gloster Meteor which crashed in 1953.

In September 1965 a RAFDe Havilland Chipmunk flew into the hill in cloud, without serious injury to the crew.

The last crash occurred in October 1968 when a Cessna 172 force-landed between Winter Hill and Rivington Pike.

Scotsman's Stump

On 9 November1838 George Henderson, a Scottish merchant walking over the hill from Bolton to Blackburn, was murdered by gunshot. James Whittle, a 22-year-old collier from Belmont, was brought to court and found guilty of murder. However, he was found not guilty at a second trial in Lancaster. There is a metal post with plaque on the hill in memory of the victim, replacing an earlier wooden post erected in 1912. This is known as Scotsman's Stump.

Two Lads

It is also believed that on the 'Two Lads' a hill opposite Winter Hill two young men walking from Chorley to Rochdale went mysteriously missing from the site during a winter storm in the early 20th century. Two memorial cairns are built on the site in the memory of the men. Another theory is that this was the burial site of a powerful Saxon king with a burial mound and bodies found at the site.

The song by A Certain Ratio

The song "Winter Hill", appearing on A Certain Ratio's 1981 album

"To Each...", consists of excessive drumming, occasional whistling and a low pitched drone which alternates between two notes a whole tone apart for the entire length of the song. A visit to Winter Hill in 1988 found a piece of electronic equipment on the top which made a high-pitched drone which also alternated between two notes a whole tone apart.

Since A Certain Ratio came from the nearby city of Manchester, the sound of the electrical equipment on the hill was presumably the inspiration for the song.


ARRANGEMENTS have been made to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Winter Hill Disaster - the Isle of Man's worst aircraft disaster.
Events took place on Wednesday, February 27 th 2008- exactly 50 years to the day since the plane crash at Winter Hill in Lancashire which claimed the lives of 35 Manx residents

There's a great deal of space up there.


To the left of the reservoir on the above photograph you can see a white 'edifice' which looks rather small on the photograph.

The same is actually Bolton's Reebok Stadium:-

Bolton's spectacular Reebok Stadium opened in 1997, and is one of the most impressive football stadiums in the UK. As well as being the home to Bolton Wanderers, there's lots more going on in and around the Reebok Stadium.

Check out the interactive museum and tour centre on-site, crammed with Bolton memories of celebrity Bolton football stars of the past. Bolton Wanderers football team officially took the name in 1877, and in 1882/83 they entered the FA cup.

Bolton Wanderers Football Club
Bolton Wanderers football team officially took the name in 1877, and in 1882/83 they entered the FA cup. The Wanderers really began to take off in 1885/86 when they won the Bolton and the Derbyshire Charity cup. In 1888 Bolton Wanderers were one of the first 12, which included other Lancashire teams like Accrington, Burnley and Preston North End, to form the historic football league.

The Reebok Stadium Museum then explores the history of Bolton Wanderers notable place in the context of football history, and alongside the National Football Museum in Preston is a must visit for football history fans. Check out more details of Bolton Wanderers football history on the Reebok Stadium weblink to the right, as well as details on their classic 'Hall of Fame' which looks at big name Bolton Wanderers players and managers of old like Nat Lofthouse, Bryan Edwards and Joe Smith.

'We're the one and only Wand'rers', so sing the Bolton fans. Treat yourself to the Bolton Wanderers tour of the ground which includes not just a visit to the players' dressing and warm-up rooms, but also a look in at the officials' changing rooms, the managers' dug-out and the media interview room.

The Bolton Reebok Stadium tour is very reasonably priced with adult admission 2.50, concessions 1.50, and families of 2 adults and 2 children 6.00. The Reebok Stadium Museum and Tour is open from Monday-Friday 9.00am - 5.00pm, Saturday 9.00am - 4.00pm, and Sunday 11.00am - 4.00pm, and you'll need to give about 2 hours to cover everything.

Bolton Reebok Stadium
Reebok Stadium, Burnden Way, Middlebrook Leisure & Retail Park, Bolton BL6 6JW. Tel: 01204 673670. Getting to Bolton Reebok Stadium is simple, with ease of access from motorways. From The South, M6 to Junction 21a, take eastbound M62 leaving at Junction 12. Follow signs for M61 (Bolton/Preston) and leave the M61 motorway at Junction 6. You'll see the stadium clearly from the junction, just follow the signs, clearly marked.

From The North, M6 to Junction 29 and take the M65 towards Blackburn. Leave the M65 at junction two and join the M61 towards Manchester. Leave the M61 at junction six. The ground is visible from this junction and is clearly sign posted.

There are alternatives for parking. Many surrounding industrial estate units offer cheaper parking so watch out for them. Also Horwich Parkway railway station serves the Reebok Stadium well, with regular trains from Bolton's main station. Horwich Parkway is only a few minutes walk from the stadium. It's well worth consider travelling to Bolton Wanderers at the Reebok by train!
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Wed 18 Jun, 2008 02:06 pm
I have some nice photographs and information to follow on with, probably over the weekend.


One thing for sure, Lancashire is a beautiful spot.

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Fri 20 Jun, 2008 04:00 pm
I placed some photographs on the thread of a new housing development in my local area. The Buckshaw Village Development.

They have built a new public house there as well. It rather surprised me.

Pubs are being closed down left right and centre throughout the land.

I would have thought there were ample in the vicinty not doing so well which might have improved from the additional residents moving into the village.


It's no skin off my nose, but apart from a bit of a flurry when they first opened the doors. It never seems to be busy at all.


I was talking to a local, who as a rule knows all there is to know about everything going on in the area, he told me the pub had cost in excess of Two Million Pounds.

That's a lot of money in any language for a development which might turn out to be a 'White Elephant' at the end of the day.

I understand lunchtime trade from the commercial and corporate developments on the development is 'steady' but will that be steady enough to recover the cost of the massive investment.

Time will no doubt tell.


It covers a large area, big place with plenty of room in side no doubt.

It certainly looks nice, I'll give it a try in the next week or two and let you know.
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Fri 20 Jun, 2008 04:06 pm
Amazing when you don't go to a certain area for a while and then revisit. Changes at times can be quite drastic.

This house and 'skip manufacturing' business was a petrol station last time I visited Delph and Denshaw.


The big house hasn't changed at all from what I remember it looking like.

The little brown timber and glass building was the kiosk. The garages, did vehicle repair/servicing outlets, I seem to remember.

This is the first time I ever came across a business that built skips.

I was going to ask how much they cost, but there was nobody about.

It's a bleak area is Delph, nice in its own way but not really hospitable in winter.

They usually get some really heavy snow falls up here in the winter months too.


I was once told that Emmerdale was filmed on location around these parts.

Emmerdale is a soap programme on television in the UK

{Just in case you were unaware}


There are some really spectacular views around here though.


House prices around this part of the County are on average half the price of what you would expect to pay in the hills around 'White Coppice'

White Coppice itself being a totally different kettle of fish.

I know a friend of mine bid a quarter of a million for a terraced cottage in White Coppice about five years back and he was pipped.

It will be interesting to see how property prices vary across the County during this coming period of gloom and depression, otherwise known as recession.

I bet these cattle don't give a monkey's either way.

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Fri 20 Jun, 2008 04:11 pm
This is a nice little pub at Pleasington, {Near Blackburn} I took these photographs a few weeks back and it's possible I might have put one or two of them up on my Thailand thread or the British Thread when I was meandering, or whatever.

Take no notice if you have seen them before, I'm getting better, slowly.

PS They are good to look at in any event. :wink:


These are really picturesque cottages, having a superb location elevated and overlooking beautiful countryside.


I'm not too sure on the prices of these cottages.

I'm a little out of touch of late with prices and I don't want to guess.

If I find out I'll let you know though.

They won't be cheap, that is something I can guarantee.

It was probably April when I took these photographs and that has surprised me, but judging by the lack of leaves on the trees, I rather think it was.

Time is passing far too quickly


Beautiful Village is Pleasington though, really nice
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 04:29 am
I think I put some of these photographs on The British thread in May, excuse me if you have seen them previously, they are nice to look at though.

They are much better placed on here and encourage the Lancashire beauty.


If I get the opportunity to go this way during the summer, I'll take some which may be more 'summery' so to speak. As it is, they make nice photographs, it's a nice place Pleasington.


It definitely was April when I took these as well.

The trees are only just coming into bud. Bet there's a heck of a difference now.


There are some brilliant examples of
'dry-stone' walls in Lancashire as well.
I was talking to a young lad down at the club
a night or two back, he is going to college, taking
a special learning and tutoring course on building
and repairing these walls.

That should ensure him a guaranteed future employment I would think.


I seem to remember there was a storm brewing when I took these photographs.


You would think they would paint that ugly viaduct green or better still get it camouflaged with trees or ivy, it's like an ugly boil on a panoramic scene.

One for the local council... Twisted Evil
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 04:42 am

Nice looking pubs in the locality, these small villages seem to keep going with pub life.

I think they represent part of the local community spirit. Some of them, like this one for instance has coffee morning for the ladies!

This is a nice country view as well, it's a bonny place is Lancashire.


I took a trip with Flobo around the Ribble Valley
and back via Shard Bridge, Fleetwood
and Blackpool a few days ago.

I have some nice photographs of the same,
spectacular shots of Dunsop Bridge Village.

I'll see how I am for time today.
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 04:52 am
These are a few nice photographs from Clitheroe.

Nice lake for fishing in the area, it was quite busy, tents and all sorts of apparatus to make the fisherman's time a real pleasure, so far as I could see.


It's close to The Trough of Bowland.

There must have been six or seven tents
like this one set up around the lake, one
or two were much larger. I don't know if
they sleep and fish overnight, but I could
see a camp bed in one of them and a guy
was cooking up bacon and egg with a small
stove fuelled with Bottled gas.


The River Ribble and the Hodder merge in this area, so I'm not exactly 100% certain which one this is, it's probably the Ribble, but I might be wrong.


The ducks were fair popping along too.


There are some amazing viaducts and aqueducts in Britain.


In any event it all looked really nice.
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 04:57 am
A Majestic area one might be tempted to call it.


Days when places look just perfect, are not always
easy to find in The UK
When you do come across
them, it's quite spectacular.


Sheer beauty.


Beautiful driving conditions as well.
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 05:09 am
This is good.


Pontcysyllte Aqueduct

Pontcysyllte Aqueduct is generally regarded as one of Thomas Telford's greatest civil engineering achievements. Its construction was revolutionary at the time for, apart from its dramatic size and setting, Telford, rejecting all precedents, designed a cast iron trough 3.25 meters wide and 307 meters long laid along the top of 18 stone piers to carry the waterway 37 meters above the River Dee. The first stone was laid in July 1795 and construction took ten years at a total cost of £47,018.

The Pontcysllte Aqueduct is one of the main tourist attractions within Wrexham County Borough. It can be accessed from either end - at Trefor (signed off the A539) or at Froncysyllte (signed off the A5(T)). Car parking is available at both ends of the Aqueduct. It is an amazing experience to walk across the Aqueduct as it towers 37 meters above the River Dee and to take in the panoramic views of the whole area. However, you need a head for heights! The international importance of the Aqueduct is reflected in its inclusion on the tentative list of future nominations for UNESCO World Heritage Site designation.

For the adventurous, it is possible to hire a canal boat both at Chirk Marina (Tel: 01691 774558) or at Trefor Basin (Tel:Anglo Welsh on 01978 821749 or Ribbon Plate on 01978 823215) and cross the Aqueduct by boat, alternatively there are canal boat trips available for those who want to sit and take it all in.

Info and photograph from Wrexham on Line Tour.

A little more additional information here, I was wondering about the walk across, I'd like to do that.

Walk one way and back in a boat the other.

Will probably try it with Flobo trhis summer, it's only about 70 miles from our home.

From Waterscape.com

Pontcysyllte Aqueduct

North Wales

Everyone should experience a trip over Thomas Telford and William Jessop's awe-inspiring aqueduct, by boat or on foot. It is a Scheduled Ancient Monument; a candidate for World Heritage Status; and a Grade I Listed structure.
The aqueduct, taking the Llangollen Canal over the beautiful River Dee valley, is 1000 feet long and 125 feet high. Such distances had never before been conquered, until Telford's audacious decision to build it by laying an iron water-carrying trough on stone piers. To this day, the joints are effectively sealed using a mixture of flannel and lead dipped in liquid sugar.
For those crossing in a narrowboat, the effect is that of being suspended in mid-air. The thin iron trough, which extends to only about a foot above the water level is unprotected on one side - so looking out of one side of the boat, there is literally nothing there. Children should stay inside the craft during the crossing. Two-hour trips by canal (01978 860702) over the aqueduct are available at Llangollen Wharf, just four miles away. For more details, call the local Tourist Information Centre on 01978 860828.
You can also walk across the aqueduct, and the towpath is mercifully protected by a set of railings.
Staying near Pontcysyllte Aqueduct
You can, of course, hire a boat from one of the numerous hire-bases on the Llangollen Canal to cruise over Pontcysyllte Aqueduct. Find boats available for hire through Waterscape.com.

Aqueduct facts and figures
The cast iron trough which holds the canal water is 11ft wide, 5ft 3ins deep and 1,007ft long at its highest point.
There are 19 arches, each with a 45ft span and piers 116ft high.
To keep the aqueduct as light as possible, the slender masonry piers are partly hollow and taper at their summit.
The mortar was made of oxen blood, lime and water.
The aqueduct holds 1.5 million litres of water and takes two hours to drain.
And for the non-Welsh speaker, Pontcysyllte is pronounced 'pont-kersulty' - you may need to practise the famous Welsh 'll' sound!
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 05:29 am
A really nice picturesque photograph


Cattle, sheep, a meadow and oak trees.




This is from Spring, about April.

Bullfinch, considered to be scarce at present.

This is due to reductions in the supply of natural foods,
because it is such a shy bird, it has problems
adapting to feeders and such like.

Flobo has tempted them into the garden
with ground feeding. They are extremely cautious.

We think they are responsible for scoffing the
blossom off our plum trees. Hence we only
have two plums this year.

Never mind, their are plenty in Waitrose and Marks and Spencers.


The cock is the red chested specimen
of the duo.


A little bit of England last week or so.

Queuing for petrol;-


And an English Country Garden. {Lancashire}


And another, nice aren't they.


Birds and bees and flowers and trees.................
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 05:34 am
It's put a fair bit of rain down in Lancashire this last week or so.

I spent a bit of time sifting through some old photographs.

I was mainly looking for some regarding The River Kwai and Kanchanaburi.

Came across some good old stuff too.

As is normal though, I didn't find some of
those I was specifically looking for.

They will be in the attic somewhere I think.

They'll turn up .

Then again you find that there are many an old one you weren't really looking for but you come across them and they are handy.

Some nights back on here I put up a photograph of a big house and skip manufacturing workshop at Delph/Denshaw.

I made reference to the place being a petrol station and garage last time I was up there.

I'd no recollection of taking a photograph of it, then today I found this.


There's somebody looking through the window as well.

You can see a black type of wire running across the forecourt too.

It's a simple air hose, when a vehicle drives across it rings a bell, probably in the house and alerts the owner to the need to get down and serve.

How times change.

Pity there is no price board on the photograph, that could have been very interesting.
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 05:48 am
So, Tuesday last the 24th June 2008;

I managed to take Flobo for a really
nice day out in The Ribble Valley Area
and back via the coast.

Weather wasn't exactly brilliant
but the rain kept off until
the early evening.

It was dull day with a light breeze,
we had a really nice drive around
some of Lancashire's pleasant
and scenic country roads.


The drive through the old Roman Town of Ribchester
was exceptional.
Much better than doing the same at weekend,
when it is always busy.


Handsome looking premises.


Ribchester Arms is an exceptionally superb building.

Always well patronised due to the reputation it maintains.

It's a family run business, a pub, restaurant and hotel ideally located to obtain a fair percentage of the visitors to the Ribble Valley, Trough and Forest of Bowland throughout the year.

If I remember rightly (We didn't call in here today} it supports local food providers and shows their names on a local board within the restaurant areas. Most of the restaurants are in the habit of doing this in Lancashire.

I know it won the Regional Pub of the year award in 2004 as well.

Ribchester has an outstanding Museum with a strikingly good selection of 'goodies' on show from the days of The Roman Occupation of these fair Isles.
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 06:10 am
The River Dunsop and the River Hodder meet at Dunsop Bridge before flowing south to join the River Ribble on the outside of Clitheroe.

The Village of Dunsop is so picturesque and quaint; rather spectacular.

Dunsop is recognised by the Ordnance survey as the closest village to the centre of The British Isles.

It attracts many walkers throughout the year and it is possible to follow the actual trail which The Lancashire WITCHES were made to walk to their trials at Lancaster Castle.


It's a spectacular bridge and small hamlet.

The ducks like it too.


You just don't come across many places like this it's beauty and simplicity is outstanding.


Quack, quack, quack...

I had a bit of a chat with the chap at the petrol station, it's attendant service only, he doesn't want to modernise or go self service.

It's his life being there to serve his customers on a personal basis.


This is perhaps a better photograph with regards to the petrol station.

How quaint is quaint?


The river runs through the village on the other side of the village green. It's showing signs of lack of water as well. We need some more rain in the north of Lancashire.


Nice stretches of water around these parts.


Not so good for kyaks at present though.


Spectacular spot. They would have been all over the village green and along the banks of the rivers with their picnics, had we come at weekend.
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Sat 28 Jun, 2008 06:19 am
H.M. Queen Elizabeth who is of course The Duke of Lancaster, is a fairly regular visitor to this part of The British Isles and has walked across Dunsop Bridge.

In fact, she probably owns it..


I hope you like these photographs, I think it's a gorgeous area myself.

Her Majesty has visited the little Village Store here at Dunsop Bridge.

She was shown the recipe for the local scones and tea from the Puddleducks Cafe.

She spoke with local folk and staff.

It is a well known fact that Her Majesty is extremely fond of The Ribble Valley Area.


The Forest of Bowland is a really spectacular area.

There are now colonies of Wild boar living in the vicinity.

Deer and a host of assorted wild life in general.




Absolutely terrific views and an environment second to none.
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Sun 29 Jun, 2008 01:45 pm
These are quite a rare animal to spot in Lancashire!

It was massive.


It looks really daft, don't you think?

I was laughing at him, and he simply stared at me with that indignant expression.

They even have those funny Emu birds in some part of the county.

In The Forest of Bowland they have let a few herds of Wild Boar loose as well. We didn't see any today, apparently they are quite timid with regards to humans.

It will be interesting to know if you know what the animal is.

A bar of cadbury's chocolate at Christmas to the first correct answer.


These river photographs are really nice I hope you like them too.


Water and Grass, add a touch of class.
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Sun 29 Jun, 2008 01:51 pm
Look at these, aren't they absolutely stunning?


Show winners in years to come I reckon.


The Royal Lancashire Show will welcome these with open arms, you can bet a quid or two on that.


I couldn't make my mind up which was the best photograph to show, so I have put all three of the cattle ones up.

Hope you like them as well.


Don't they look great too.

This fellow below looks puzzled though.


There is some outstanding property in the area.

Property in Britain in general is presently on a downer of some 20%

The Ribble Valley is on a 17.5% increase and that's a fact.


I have quite a bit more to put on from this section will put them on through the week.
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Sat 5 Jul, 2008 05:12 am

The Alpaca is a domesticated species of South American camelid. It resembles a small llama in superficial appearance.

Alpacas are kept in herds that graze on the level heights of the Andes of Ecuador, southern Peru, northern Bolivia, and northern Chile.

They are somewhat considerably smaller than llamas, and unlike them are not used as beasts of burden but are valued only for their fiber.

Alpaca fiber is used for making knitted and woven items, much as sheep's wool is. These items include blankets, sweaters, hats, gloves, scarves, a wide variety of textiles and ponchos in South America, and sweaters, socks, coats and bedding in other parts of the world.

I have not made any firm enquiries regarding these located on Lancashire grazing land. I assume there will be a money making project regarding their presence. As the Ostriches were and still are in some places.

From snippets of information I have obtained, they can be domesticated.

I'll stick to keeping a cat or dog myself.
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Sat 5 Jul, 2008 05:21 am
The Queen has dined here, {The Inn at Whitewell} local Goosnargh Chicken, local Beef, followed by Apple tart, and if my information
is correct from Flobo, it was on the 25th May 2006.

The local gamekeeper John Clark presented Her Majesty with one of his personal paintings of two pheasants.


The same day she visited the little Village Store here at Dunsop Bridge.

She was shown the recipe for the local scones and tea from the Puddleducks Cafe.


So I raise my glass to:-

The Queen, The Duke of Lancaster.
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Sat 5 Jul, 2008 05:39 am
Mathos thank you for making me aware of your wonderful thread. I've thoroughly enjoyed your spectacular photo's and I'm impressed by the beauty of your country, so totally different to where I live. The Gypsies and their carts brought back many memories of my youth when I lived in Europe. Fascinating.
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