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Tue 13 May, 2008 04:25 pm
are you an alien ?
if so , you might be free from original sin , so says Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome .
since i am probably not an alien , i am out of luck .
hbg
Quote:Vatican says aliens could exist
By David Willey
BBC News, Rome
The Pope's chief astronomer says that life on Mars cannot be ruled out.
Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space.
Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome, is a respected scientist who collaborates with universities around the world.
The search for forms of extraterrestrial life, he says, does not contradict belief in God.
The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'.
'Free from sin'
Just as there are multiple forms of life on earth, so there could exist intelligent beings in outer space created by God.
And some aliens could even be free from original sin, he speculates.
Asked about the Catholic Church's condemnation four centuries ago of the Italian inventor of the telescope, Galileo, Father Funes diplomatically says mistakes were made, but it is time to turn the page and look towards the future.
Science and religion need each other, and many astronomers believe in God, he assures readers.
To strengthen its scientific credentials, the Vatican is organising a conference next year to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of the author of the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7399661.stm
Published: 2008/05/13 22:08:27 GMT
FREE FROM ORIGINAL SIN ?
You know, I was thinking the other day about WHY we needed to invent concepts like original sin?
All of my sin is original.
Quote:You know, I was thinking the other day about WHY we needed to invent concepts like original sin?
wasn't it Antonio Banderas and Angelina Jolie who portrayed what original sin is ? i understand it was very profitable for them to practice some "original sin" .
too late for us - unfortunately .
hbg
hamburger wrote:Quote:You know, I was thinking the other day about WHY we needed to invent concepts like original sin?
wasn't it Antonio Banderas and Angelina Jolie who portrayed what original sin is ? i understand it was very profitable for them to practice some "original sin" .
too late for us - unfortunately .
hbg
I actually have no idea what you mean.
Some film or something?
for dlowan's further education in the fine points of "original sin" .
I worked around lots of aliens in the building trade. Most were from Mexico. I didn't get around to quizzing any on original sin.
hbgQuote:since i am probably not an alien , i am out of luck .
hbg
Only if you try to escape to our side of the lake.
farmerman wrote:hbgQuote:since i am probably not an alien , i am out of luck .
hbg
Only if you try to escape to our side of the lake.
you farmerman who insist on eating with your bare hands instead of using your entrenching tools are giving advice to hamburgler? the horror!
seems like there might be plenty of "sin" on farmerman's side of the lake ...
dys and i should consider visiting there ... should be fun , fun , fun !
hbg
I was up late doing my work and I tuned into George Nori. The topic of the night was all about how the Church, and several other governmnts seem to be getting us prepared for the news that "THEY ARE AMONG US".
The Ufologists are having a field day with how the church has begun this major shift in its dogma to include intergalactic visitation. The discussion ensued that , perhaps, aliens are actually angels.
I turned on an all night jazz station.
Quote:Vatican scientist says belief in God and aliens is OK
By Philip Pullella
Posted 4:05 am EDT
VATICAN CITY, May 14, 2008 (Reuters) ?- The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of "extraterrestrial brothers" perhaps more evolved than humans.
"In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists," said Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, a 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict.
"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano in an interview in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition, explaining that the large number of galaxies with their own planets made this possible.
Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."
In the interview headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother," he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God.
"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," he said.
"Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation," he said.
Funes, who runs the observatory which is based south of Rome and in Arizona, held out the possibility that the human race might actually be the "lost sheep" of the universe.
"There could be (other beings) who remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.
THE "BIG BANG?"
Christians have sometimes been at odds with scientists over whether the Bible should be read literally and issues such as creationism versus evolution have been hotly debated for decades.
The Inquisition condemned astronomer Galileo in the 17th century for insisting that the earth revolved around the sun. The Catholic Church did not rehabilitate him until 1992.
Funes said dialogue between faith and science could be improved if scientists learned more about the Bible and the Church kept more up to date with scientific progress.
Funes, an Argentine, said he believed as an astronomer that the most likely explanation for the start of the universe was "the big bang," the theory that it sprang into existence from dense matter billions of years ago.
But he said this was not in conflict with faith in God as a creator. "God is the creator. There is a sense to creation. We are not children of an accident ...," he said.
"As an astronomer, I continue to believe that God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the product of something casual but children of a good father who has a project of love in mind for us," he said.
(Reporting by Philip Pullella, editing by Richard Balmforth)
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Well, the catholic church always was #1 when it comes to hyhypocrisy. I was surprised when I found out they still believe in purgatory and now this. A laughable relic.