Biggest Particle Collider - Doomsday Device?

Or at least a passable imitation of it.

This kind of stuff always makes me a little... puzzled.

I live just a few blocks from a nuclear reactor operated by college undergraduates and nobody complains. This in a state that spent $5,000,000 on a ballot measure to close down a reactor not located downtown and operated by professionals.

Strange days indeed....

The one at the college is probably just a pretend nuclear reactor so that all the students can go home and tell their Moms that they are nuclear scientists.

I wouldn't worry about it boomer. The professional ones are the ones to watch out for.

If you find yourself growing new appendages, I recommend moving a few streets over, away from it.

Nope. Not a pretend reactor: http://reactor.reed.edu/about.html

Strangely enough, edgar, this is a reall "ohmygod I want to live THERE" neighborhood. Maybe people are unaware of the reactor....

I don't trust them enough to get that close.

Chunnel?

you mean

The Chunnel will only make it easier for the next Napoleon to conquer England---Ireland however, is safe---no Chunnel there by blarney and St Patrick will will also drive the frogs from Ireland.

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No army would dare enter the tunnel at Calais. Such a strategy would go into the record books as the most incompetent generalship in history.

Nappy's Tunnel Scare


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It is easily possible to draw a formation of green pigs flying under Brooklyn Bridge.

Re: Biggest Particle Collider - Doomsday Device?
This isn't the first time this guy has filed a lawsuit based on these fears to block a particle accelerator from starting up. And he has yet to successfully block an accelerator from starting.

The odds of this accelerator destroying the planet (or worse, annihilating the local galactic supercluster by causing a vacuum metastability event) are zero.

But as we build bigger and bigger accelerators, we will one day create an accelerator so large that the odds are not zero (at least based on present-day understanding of science). It won't happen in any of our lifetimes though.

Based on that possible future risk, I suppose it's a good thing that the guy has people considering the issue.

You mean green flying pigs like these?



Maybe they don't fly under the Bridge in Brooklyn, but they're flying, in formation, within spitting distance of the

John A Roebling Suspension Bridge, that is considered the Brooklyn's elder Brother.

Here's their formation.


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SUPER COLLIDER
Behind a scientific success, a failed Texas experiment
A shell of a lab that would have dwarfed Europe's accelerator now gathers weeds near Dallas


By ERIC BERGER

SciGuy blog COLLEGE STATION ?- Under a leaden sky that mirrored his mood, physicist Peter McIntyre eyed a long submarine-shaped magnet resting on the ground.

Had the Superconducting Super Collider been completed south of Dallas as planned, the magnet would now lie in a 54-mile-long tunnel, accelerating bits of matter to near the speed of light, producing spectacular collisions and re-creating conditions that existed at the universe's beginning.

But after spending billions of dollars, Congress axed the SSC 15 years ago.

The magnet now sits outside McIntyre's lab near the Texas A&M University campus, a weathered reminder of what might have been and an apt metaphor for the state of U.S. high-energy physics.

"It's just a shame," McIntyre said.

Later this year, the Switzerland-based CERN laboratory is scheduled to fire up a new particle accelerator near Geneva. By laying claim to the world's most powerful collider, Europeans will wrest leadership in high-energy physics away from the U.S. after 80 years of American hegemony.

"Europe's now playing in the major leagues, and we're in the minors," said A&M physicist Bhaskar Dutta.

American physicists have dominated the field since the 1930s, when Ernest Lawrence and colleagues at the University of California at Berkeley developed the first cyclotron, an early particle accelerator.


Atomic secrets

The device allowed scientists to discover atomic secrets by accelerating protons to high speeds, slamming them into a target and studying new particles the collisions produced.

The discoveries led, in part, to the development of the atomic bomb. Later spinoffs included the development of cancer therapies and the processing of a host of materials, such as semiconductor chips.

After World War II, the United States built a number of evermore powerful accelerators, culminating with the Tevatron at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory near Chicago.

The machines seek to create highly energetic collisions between atomic particles. Only at high energies do the smallest, most exotic particles - which existed at the beginning of the universe ?- briefly appear.

Existing accelerators already achieve collisions near the speed of light, so the only way to reach higher energies is to build larger rings through which the particles travel.

The Tevatron ring measures about 4 miles in circumference. The SSC ring was to have been 54 miles in circumference, producing collisions 20 times more intense than the Tevatron.

The new European accelerator, called the Large Hadron Collider, will not be as powerful as the mighty SSC would have been. The Large Hadron Collider's ring, about 17 miles in circumference, should be capable of producing collisions about one-third as powerful."The SSC would unquestionably have made Texas an exciting center of fundamental research," said Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate and physics professor at the University of Texas at Austin. "We terribly regret this wasted opportunity. I'm even sorry for the farmers in Ellis County who had to give up their houses and move away for no reason."


The deserted scene

A drive to the main, 135-acre site just west of Waxahachie yields such a sensation of waste. Amid a pastoral countryside where corn fields mix with scattered country homes, the SSC's main buildings rise incongruously above the plain. The boxy, forlorn structures could house large commercial airplanes.

The tunnels were filled in long ago. The site, for all practical purposes, is abandoned. So little used are the surrounding roads that truck-driving instructors use them for training.

Before the project's cancellation, about 16,000 acres of land were condemned, including about 90 homes. Afterward, the land and buildings were largely deeded to the state, which in turn transferred the property to Ellis County. Bits and pieces were sold.

However, the main buildings and an accompanying 135 acres of land remained unsold until 2006, when a group that included J.B. Hunt, founder of the billion-dollar trucking empire, purchased the property with the intent of marketing it as a high-tech secure data center. After Hunt's death, his estate abandoned those plans.

Earlier proposals ?- for prisons, schools, movie studios and a Veterans Administration facility ?- met a similar fate.

"I'm not happy about it, not one bit," said one of the SSC's original champions, U.S. Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican whose district includes Ellis County.

The despair stands in stark contrast to the mood in Europe.

"The attitude here is one of wild enthusiasm," said Paul Padley, a Rice University physicist in charge of building a $40 million collision detector for the Large Hadron Collider.

"We're motivated by the physics questions we're trying to answer, and we're willing to move heaven and Earth to get the experiment built to answer these fundamental questions about the universe," Padley said.

The United States has contributed hundreds of millions of dollars to the European collider, which may cost as much as $10 billion, giving American scientists a stake in the project.

"Still, it's incredibly hard for Americans to be effective on a European experiment," said David Toback, an A&M physicist who has worked on the Tevatron and now works on one of the Large Hadron Collider experiments.

That's because Europeans will generally run the large experimental collaborations, interpret the results and publish them. They'll get the lion's share of glory.

The SSC's cancellation followed more than a decade of planning and construction. McIntyre, a magnet designer, was among the earliest evangelists for a Texas accelerator, and he helped arrange an early meeting with then Vice President George H.W. Bush to prod the project along.

Bush helped put it on the fast track. But internal and external forces began working against the project, said Neal Lane, a Rice physicist who served on the SSC's board of overseers and later as President Bill Clinton's science adviser.

From 1987 to 1993, the project's estimated price tag ballooned from about $4.4 billion to as much as $12 billion. Some physicists say this reflected poor management.

But other factors were involved, Lane said. Expected money from external sources, such as Japan, never came. In the early 1990s, budget cutting was in vogue. And the Texas delegation, with Lloyd Bentsen leaving the Senate to become secretary of the Treasury Department, lost some of its clout.

As the Cold War ended, the SSC lost support to the international space station, which had a comparable cost and offered an opportunity for rapprochement with the Russians.

"Congress had to have some symbol of fiscal restraint, and we were it," said Roy Schwitters, a UT physicist and the SSC's director.


Pulling the plug

So, after spending more than $2 billion and digging 14 miles of tunnels, Congress canceled the project in October 1993.

Science fiction author Bruce Sterling captured the mood among physicists during a visit to Waxahachie.

"To say that morale is low at the SSC Labs does not begin to capture the sentiment there," he wrote in an essay titled "The Dead Collider."

At the time, 2,000 people remained at the project, winding it down. They stayed, Sterling wrote, "because, despite their alleged facility at transforming themselves into neurophysiologists, arms control advocates, et al., there is simply not a whole lot of market demand anywhere for particle physicists, at the moment."

The loss extended to Waxahachie and the state in general. The accelerator would have attracted thousands of physicists and brought a new economic and cultural dimension to the area south of Dallas, leading to spinoff computer and cryogenic companies, Lane said.

The opening of the Large Hadron Collider comes at an especially bleak time for U.S. high-energy physics.

Earlier this month, 20 of America's physics Nobel laureates sent a letter to President Bush, urging him to restore half a billion dollars in fiscal year 2008 science funding. As a result of the cuts, physicists say, hundreds of scientists have been laid off and research grants have been slashed.


One surviving lab

In the last few years, the number of high-energy physics labs in the United States has been reduced from three to one ?- Fermilab, which is itself facing a diminished budget.

The "brain drain" that brought brilliant European physicists - such as Albert Einstein and Enrico Fermi ?- to America in the 1930s appears to be reversing, U.S. physicists say.

"The entirety of U.S. high-energy physics is at very significant risk," said Al McInturff, who helped develop magnets for the Tevatron, SSC and the Large Hadron Collider. "It's just a very, very painful situation."

"That's something of an understatement," McIntyre added.

Sounds like series 3 of Lex - where Humans attempting to discover the mass of the Higgs Boson collapse the planet to the size of a apricot.

Remember high energy particles from space (some with masses above 20 GeV) have been detected - so there is a chance we are already being bombarded with higher energy events than LHC will produce. If high energy events caused black holes - we should see evidence of chain reaction forming of black holes in galactic clusters, once one star goes black hole / super nova - it should create a chain reaction if high energy particle spread was a cause for black holes being created. We don't see this so it sounds bad pseudo science (sub atomic black holes evapourate / space time un-kinks too quickly at this level of reality from theory if I recall correctly).

Edgar, maybe you should read Herman Wouk's A Hole in Texas, if you haven't already.

No, I haven't. Never heard of it before. But, it sounds worthy of a perusal.

Sounds pretty steamy to me Ed. Your specs might fog up.

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=317247

In terms of the infinite one might say that that is part of the first moments after the Big Bang.