"WHANNE THAT APRIL WITH HIS SHOURES SOTE>>>"

This is the forest primeval. The murmuring pines and the hemlocks,
Bearded with moss, and in garments green, indistinct in the twilight...

So live that when thy summons comes to join that mysterious caravan..

I would say April is the cruelest month, but I never understood T.S. Eliot's "Wasteland."

My favorite lines from Frost's "Two Tramps at Mud-Time"


The metre and rhyme patterns still impress me .Besides that, its exactly the time when the scudding clouds can change a day from winter to warm spring

We had such a day today.THe late MArch weather front came in from Canada and, although moderated by our latitude, was loaded with Canadian frigidness every time a cloud covered the sun. The wind was warm when the sun shone but there were some snowflakes when the sun was covered by northern based clouds.

I thought of mud time and the poems of early spring for our latitude. Those of you in OX+AZ are probably bitchin about the early fall heat. CMon spring, I need some warm to plant my garden.

the nights a getting cool here. we had the gas heater on for a while last night, and almost a frost this morning. but th days are magnificent. cool crisp clean mornings warming to about 25C (77?).
Just perfect for a loaf of bread and a glass of wine in the backyard

Hell, that sounds like our October. Are you in a hilly environment? Does your ground freeze in the winter?

Yes


No.
We get frost but it sits on the grass. and its a cold cold morning when the chooks water dish is frozen over. Frost is usually gone by 10 am maybe longer in the shade.

Oz ain't as far south of the equator as we are north of it. The tropic of Capricorn runs through Oz, whereas the United States is entirely north of the tropic of Cancer.

Yes, but Toronto is about the same latitude as Marseilles and it rarely freezes or snows there..

Same about New York and Barcelona..

I can't believe you said it rarely freezes or snows in Toronto. You should see the back yard.

and?

Not to sound snotty but climate and weather paterns have less to do with latitude than with orographic effects , nearness of big continental masses up"wind"or nearness to circum polar streams or cross longitudinal oceanic streams (The Gulf stream is the reason that Ireland is cool temperate/ sub tropical, not its latitude) .Goose Bay Labrador is at the same latitude as Dublin. I see palm trees in Dublin and daffodils blooming in January. Whereas in Labrador, its 25 below.

I am interested in voice reports of someones local climate . SInce we sorta know the city and lat that dadpads at,I actually was surprised at his reports of the early frosts . I ws more responding to his topography than his latitude. Ive done some great skiing in ARgentina (roughly the same latitude as Dadpads Divide RAnge.

No, that's cool, but geographical location still matters. All of Australia is tropical or subtropical. Only the extreme southern portion of the United States is subtropical, and no part of it is tropical. That does matter, since it means that wind patterns in Oz are conditioned by what are called the trade winds, whereas all of North America is north of the trade winds.

Thats why I asked dp about his topography. I was a bit surprised that he was reporting an almost "frosty" morning.

Sometimes what's going on in my mind doesn't translate in my writing...

No, Mon Vieux, you're writing was fine--i was being obtuse. I knew what you meant, i was just wilfully misinterpreting it.

Perhaps , more in line with the A2k means of communication:

Yes, but Toronto is about the same latitude as Marseilles, and even n asshole like you would know that it rarely freezes in MArseilles.

The Marseilles no-freeze thang is due to da Gulf Stream.

It's still in the 20s here most mornings. Please send heat. Thank you in advance.