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Tibet: A place of their own.

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:20 pm
The Chinese & the visiting media:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/27/280308_cartoon_moir_gallery__600x344,0.jpg
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:23 pm
Been following along <bookmark>
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:37 pm
Cry freedom: Tibetan tour disrupted:
Mary-Anne Toy, Beijing
March 28, 2008/the AGE


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/27/svTIBET_wideweb__470x344,0.jpg
A group of Tibetan Buddhist monk cries while disrupting a Government-managed visit by foreign journalists to the Jokhang Temple in Lhasa.
Photo: AP


.... China had promised to allow foreign media open access to all areas before the Olympics in August to report on any topics, not just sports, but that undertaking was made meaningless last week when scores of foreign journalists were summarily evicted from Tibetan areas.

The Age and other media were refused permission to join the trip due to "logistical difficulties", a Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman said this week. Foreign media have been banned from travelling independently to Tibet and have been harassed and ejected from the provinces of Gansu, Sichuan, Qinghai and Yunnan, where dozens of sympathy protests have erupted.

The protests through Western China have led to one of the biggest and longest mobilisations of armed police and other troops since the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

The Financial Times, one of the news outlets invited to Lhasa, reported yesterday that the "smell of burning buildings still hangs in the air nearly two weeks after violent rioting swept through the old Tibetan quarter of Lhasa, leaving behind a string of shops and apartments reduced to charcoal frames".

The British newspaper said on its website: "It is just one of many signs that the anti-Chinese riot which convulsed Tibet's ancient capital was far more aggressive, long-running and inflicted far more damage than any outsiders had previously realised.

"The neighbourhood remains under strict lockdown, with heavy police and military presence at every corner and shops, bars and restaurants shuttered. But the feel of a war-zone in the old quarter contrasts markedly with the bustling atmosphere of the Han Chinese-dominated new town."


http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/cry-freedom-tibetan-tour-disrupted/2008/03/27/1206207298512.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:55 pm
Today in Canberra, capital of Oz.:

Tibet protesters rally at Chinese embassy
Posted 7 minutes ago/ABC news online

About 100 protesters have gathered outside the Chinese embassy in Canberra to protest against Beijing's tactics in Tibet.

Police on motorbikes, in cars and vans, and on foot, ringed the Chinese embassy.

Across the road a group of protesters, mainly from the Tibetan communities of Sydney and Canberra, chanted slogans calling for the end of killing in Tibet.

Waving the Tibetan and Australian flags they then sang the Tibetan National Anthem before using a loudspeaker to make a direct appeal to Chinese Authorities to meet and speak with the Dalai Lama.

The group is then prayed before marching to Parliament House to continue their protests.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/28/2201732.htm?section=justin
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 07:20 am
Source: Sam Kang Li, User submitted
Published: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:37 AEDT

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200803/r236157_950594.jpg

A Tibetan monk runs away from baton-charging police in front of the visa-issuance section of the Chinese Embassy in Kathmandu on Tuesday. At least 50 Tibetan exiles were rounded up by the police while they were organising what was meant to be a peaceful protest, but no injuries were reported. (User submitted: Sam Kang Li)
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 07:25 am
Protesters rally for Tibet in front of the Chinese embassy in Madrid.
Source: Susana Vera, Reuters
Published: Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:53 AEST

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200803/r236405_952049.jpg
Protesters take part in a demonstration in support of Tibet and against the 2008 Beijing Olympics in front of the Chinese embassy in Madrid on March 29, 2008. The Tibetan government-in-exile says fresh protests had taken place overnight in Lhasa, the capital of the China-held region shaken by deadly unrest in recent weeks.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/2008/03/30/2202756.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 05:42 pm
Nepalese police baton-charge Tibetan protesters

Posted 2 hours 35 minutes ago

Police in Nepal have baton-charged and arrested protesters, most of them Tibetans, who were rallying outside a Chinese embassy office in Kathmandu.

Police and witnesses said more than 100 people were detained.

A few of the demonstrators were injured, police said, without giving a precise number.

Police hit protesters with long bamboo poles before dragging dozens of them into waiting vans as they tried to protest outside the office, which is separate from the main Chinese embassy in Kathmandu, witnesses said.

Shouting "Stop violence and murder" and "Free Tibet", some protesters were kicked while on the ground by police before being taken away, an AFP reporter witnessed.

"We want the Chinese administration to let journalists enter Tibet and stop violence against Tibetans," Tenzing, a 28-year-old monk, told AFP as he waved the flag of the Tibetan government in-exile before being taken away by police.


Police officer Surendra Rai told AFP: "We have detained some 113 Tibetan protesters. A few who were injured are getting treatment."

"We will release all those detained this evening," he added.

"Chinese undemocratic rule is sickening. If I were younger, I would join in the protest," said one 78-year-old Tibetan, Bhakta Bahadur Lama, as demonstrators were shoved into police vans and trucks.

"The situation is getting worse and worse there now. The monasteries are gone and so is the culture and language."

Kathmandu has seen almost daily protests since demonstrations against China's rule of Tibet began in the region's capital Lhasa on March 10, the anniversary of a failed 1959 uprising.

Nepal - home to at least 20,000 Tibetan exiles - officially recognises Beijing's "One China" policy, under which Tibet is considered an integral part of the country.

International human rights organisations have condemned the use of force by Nepalese police against Tibetan protesters.

US-based Human Rights Watch has said that police have threatened some protesters with deportation.

Around 2,500 Tibetans continue to come across the Himalayas into Nepal every year as refugees. Most travel on to the home of their exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, in northern India.

-AFP


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/31/2203105.htm
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 12:16 am
msolga wrote:

I don't see the Chinese authorities as having a "moral obligation" to quell any violence against the Han Chinese.


I do. A government has a responsibility to stop their citizens from murdering each other.

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This is simply how they respond to any dissent.


While it is easy, and popular, to describe China in such a monolithic portrait that generalization is simply not true and there is a lot of evidence that suggests that the Chinese wanted a much more understated response. The intended approach seemed to be to try yet again to control press coverage (in even more futility) of the dissent while trying to avoid confrontation with the Tibetans.

They pretty much stood by as the protests turned into riots and Tibetans started murdering Chinese civilians and looting their businesses. The police were nowhere to be seen. There are strong indications that they were told to avoid confrontation and were not permitted to respond without a very high-level authorization.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 01:48 am
Robert, I don't have a chance to respond properly now. I have to go soon. I'm reposting my original post here (from which you've quoted) so's I don't have to search for it again later.
I have the feeling that you're playing the devil's advocate in your comments, to create "balance". Needless to say, I disagree with most of what you've said!
But anyway, later ...
(Of course, anyone else should feel free to respond in the meantime.):


msolga wrote:
I guess they're losing (or have already lost) faith that the Dalai Lama's "middle way" (autonomy though not independence from China) will ever succeed, Robert. Although I personally do not condone violence, I can fully appreciate the anger & frustration that these young Tibetans must be feeling after years of ruthless repression. They are second class citizens in their own country. Whether they resort to violence or even non-violent protest of any sort, they will still be severely dealt with by the Chinese authorities. I don't see the Chinese authorities as having a "moral obligation" to quell any violence against the Han Chinese. This is simply how they respond to any dissent.
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Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 06:23 am
'Democracy', deceptive garment of Dalai Lama
In order to make the 14th Dalai Lama look good, the Dalai Clique extol him, the former chief representative of the feudal serfdom under the theocratic socio-political structure, as the "representative of democracy", and claim that "democracy has always been the Dalai Lama's ideal" and he is "promoting democracy among Tibetans in exile".

It is common knowledge that human society evolves through three stages - theocracy, monarchy and civil rights. It is simply ridiculous and strange that the Dalai Lama, a theocratic symbol, is described as a "democracy fighter".

What truly happened in Tibet before 1959 when it was ruled by the Dalai Lama who claimed democracy was his ideal?

Before 1959, lands and people in Tibet were fiefdoms of institutions of Tibetan local governments, monasteries and nobles, who sustained the Tibetan feudal serfdom as the three major estate-holders.

With less than 5 percent of Tibet's total population, the three major estate-holders owned almost all the arable lands, pastures, forestry, mountains, rivers and most livestock. They not only were entitled to the blood-sucking exploitation of the serfs but also held a dominating power over them.

Serfs and slaves, who accounted for 95 percent of the population of Tibet, had no basic human rights or freedom.
From birth, serfs belonged to an estate-holder. Their life, death and marriage were at the disposal of serf-owners. Being treated like livestock, serfs could be sold, bought, transferred, offered as dowry, given to other serf-owners as gifts, used to pay off debts or exchanged for other serfs.

To protect their interests, feudal serf-owners maintained a strict social hierarchical system and cruel rule.
The Thirteenth Code and the Sixteenth Code, which had been used till the end of the 1950s, clearly stipulated the life price of different social ranks, ranging from those as cheap as a straw rope to those more expensive than gold.
The local Tibetan governments had courts and prisons, and big monasteries and nobles also had their own prisons. Serfs, who dared to rebel, were persecuted at the Seigniors' pleasure under the cruel dictatorship.

They were frequently insulted or beaten up, or even faced brutal punishment, such as having their eyes gouged out, ears or tongues sliced off, hands or feet chopped off, tendons pulled out or being thrown off cliffs or drowned.

The three main estate-holders forced serfs to do corvee, pay rent, and exploited them with usury. Serfs had not only to do corvee for various institutions of the local governments, officials and army, but also work as unpaid labor to grow crops and herd livestock for Seigniors, and pay miscellaneous taxes. Some of them also needed to pay taxes and do corvee for monasteries.

Statistics showed that taxes collected by the Tibetan local governments exceeded 200 categories and corvee served by serfs to the three main estate-holders accounted for more than 50 percent of the amount of their labor, or even 70 to 80 percent in some places. Before democratic reform, the total amount of usury in Tibet was twice as much as the output of the serfs.

The three main estate-holders, as rulers of the old Tibet, lived mostly in cities and towns like Lhasa. They were bound together by common interests. Their members - officials, nobles and upper-ranking monks in monasteries - sometimes changed roles to form strong ruling cliques or arrange intermarriages between clans of the same social ranking to consolidate their alliance.

They also strictly followed the rule that people of high and low social ranks should be treated differently, which both ethically and in reality reinforced the privilege and interests of the serf-owners. The offspring of nobles remained nobles forever, but the serfs, who constituted most of Tibet's population, could never extricate themselves from the miserable political, economic and social circumstances.

The high degree of concentration of power and the freeze in changes from one social class to another led to corruption and degeneration of the ruling class and stagnancy and decadence of the whole social system.

"The integration of politics and religion" was the core of feudal serfdom in Tibet. Under such a system, religion was not only a spiritual belief, but also a political and economic entity. Oppression and exploitation existed in monasteries, which also enjoyed feudal privilege. The cultural despotism under the theocratic socio-political structure could not provide people with opportunities to choose their own religious belief, neither could it let people enjoy true religious freedom.

The serfs had no basic human rights and were in utter destitution. One-tenth of young men in Tibet entered monasteries and became monks. They were not engaged in material production or human reproduction, which led to economic depression and population decline in Tibet. With spiritual enslavement and promise of happiness in the next life, the privileged group of monks and nobles deprived serfs of not only their personal freedom and property, but also their spiritual freedom.

The Dalai Lama, then chief representative of the Tibetan feudal serfdom and leader of the Tibetan local government, never cared about "democracy" or "human rights". As a matter of fact, it was due to the fear of democratic reform, that the 14th Dalai Lama and the ruling clique launched an armed rebellion in 1959 and went into exile abroad after its failure.

After fleeing abroad, the Dalai Clique still maintained the basic political framework of the integration of politics and religion. According to their so-called "constitution", the Dalai Lama, as a religious figure, not only serves as "head of state", but also has final say on all key issues of the "government in exile".

One phenomenon is that the 14th Dalai Lama's brothers and sisters have successively served key posts in the "government in exile" led by the Dalai Lama, taking charge of important departments. Five people from the Dalai Lama's family have served as chief bkha' blon (high ranking official in the Tibetan local government in the old days) or bkha' blon. The Dalai Lama's family and several other families control the political, economic, educational and military power of the "government in exile" and its key finance channels. It seems that they began to follow the examples of the West and hold "democratic elections" and adopt "separation of powers" in recent years, but in fact, the Dalai Lama is still the ultimate decision maker, the "government in exile" is still deeply connected with religion and its chief bkha' blon still can only be served by monks. No matter how the Dalai Clique colors itself with democratic decorations, it is, in fact, still the theocratic political structure and a coalition of upper ranking monks and nobles. Does "democracy" really exist under the rule of the theocratic political structure and an alliance of monks and nobles? Tibet and other parts of the Tibetan community in China have long ago realized the separation of politics and religion, completed democratic reforms and set up autonomous regional governments and are now engaged in socialist democratic political construction.

In contrast with such a reality, the empty talk of democracy by the Dalai Lama and his international supporters is merely a cheap garment, which they use to fool the public.

(Xinhua News Agency November 14, 2007)
http://www.china.org.cn/english/GS-e/231808.htm
Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 06:38 am
SOURCE
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13news.html

His material highness

FAR FROM HIS HOLIER-THAN-ALL IMAGE, THE DALAI LAMA SUPPORTS SUCH QUESTIONABLE CAUSES AS INDIA'S NUCLEAR TESTING, SEX WITH PROSTITUTES AND ACCEPTING DONATIONS FROM A JAPANESE TERRORIST CULT.

BY CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS | The Dalai Lama has come out in support of the thermonuclear tests recently conducted by the Indian state, and has done so in the very language of the chauvinist parties who now control that state's affairs. The "developed" countries, he says, must realize that India is a major contender and should not concern themselves with its internal affairs. This is a perfectly realpolitik statement, so crass and banal and opportunist that it would not deserve any comment if it came from another source.

"Think different," says the ungrammatical Apple Computer advertisement that features the serene visage of His Holiness. Among the untested assumptions of this billboard campaign is the widely and lazily held belief that "Oriental" religion is different from other faiths: less dogmatic, more contemplative, more ... transcendental. This blissful, thoughtless exceptionalism has been conveyed to the West through a succession of mediums and narratives, ranging from the pulp novel "Lost Horizon," by James Hilton (creator of Mr. Chips as well as Shangri-La), to the memoir "Seven Years in Tibet," by SS veteran Heinrich Harrer, prettified for the screen by Brad Pitt. China's foul conduct in an occupied land, combined with a Hollywood cult that almost exceeds the power of Scientology, has fused with weightless Maharishi and Bhagwan-type babble to create an image of an idealized Tibet and of a saintly god-king. So perhaps the Apple injunction to think differently is worth heeding.

The greatest triumph that modern PR can offer is the transcendent success of having your words and actions judged by your reputation, rather than the other way about. The "spiritual leader" of Tibet has enjoyed this unassailable status for some time now, becoming a byword and synonym for saintly and ethereal values. Why this doesn't put people on their guard I'll never know. But here are some other facts about the serene leader that, dwarfed as they are by his endorsement of nuclear weapons, are still worth knowing and still generally unknown.

Shoko Asahara, leader of the Supreme Truth cult in Japan and spreader of sarin nerve gas on the Tokyo subway, donated 45 million rupees, or about 170 million yen (about $1.2 million), to the Dalai Lama and was rewarded for his efforts by several high-level meetings with the divine one.

Steven Seagal, the robotic and moronic "actor" who gave us "Hard to Kill" and "Under Siege," has been proclaimed a reincarnated lama and a sacred vessel or "tulku" of Tibetan Buddhism. This decision, ratified by Penor Rinpoche, supreme head of the Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism, was initially received with incredulity by Richard Gere, who had hitherto believed himself to be the superstar most favored. "If someone's a tulku, that's great," he was quoted as saying. "But no one knows if that's true." How insightful, if only accidentally. At a subsequent Los Angeles appearance by the Dalai Lama, Seagal was seated in the front row and Gere two rows back, thus giving the latter's humility and submissiveness a day at the races. Suggestions that Seagal's fortune helped elevate him to the Himalayan status of tulku are not completely discounted even by some adepts and initiates.

Supporters of the Dorge Shugden deity -- a "Dharma protector" and an ancient object of worship and propitiation in Tibet -- have been threatened with violence and ostracism and even death following the Dalai Lama's abrupt prohibition of this once-venerated godhead. A Swiss television documentary graphically intercuts footage of His Holiness, denying all knowledge of menace and intimidation, with scenes of his followers' enthusiastically promulgating "Wanted" posters and other paraphernalia of excommunication and persecution.

While he denies being a Buddhist "Pope," the Dalai Lama is never happier than when brooding in a celibate manner on the sex lives of people he has never met. "Sexual misconduct for men and women consists of oral and anal sex," he has repeatedly said in promoting his book on these matters. "Using one's hand, that is sexual misconduct." But, as ever with religious stipulations, there is a nutty escape clause. "To have sexual relations with a prostitute paid by you and not by a third person does not constitute improper behavior." Not all of this can have been said just to placate Richard Gere, or to attract the royalties from "Pretty Woman."
I have talked to a few Dorge Shugden adherents, who seem sincere enough and who certainly seem frightened enough, but I can't go along with their insistence on the "irony" of all this. Buddhism can be as hysterical and sanguinary as any other system that relies on faith and tribe. Lon Nol's Cambodian army was Buddhist at least in name. Solomon Bandaranaike, first elected leader of independent Sri Lanka, was assassinated by a Buddhist militant. It was Buddhist-led pogroms against the Tamils that opened the long and disastrous communal war that ruins Sri Lanka to this day. The gorgeously named SLORC, the military fascism that runs Burma, does so nominally as a Buddhist junta. I have even heard it whispered that in old Tibet, that pristine and contemplative land, the lamas were the allies of feudalism and unsmilingly inflicted medieval punishments such as blinding and flogging unto death.

Yet the entire Western mass media is uncritically at the service of a mere mortal who, at the very least, proclaims the utter nonsense of reincarnation and who affirms the sinister if not indeed crazy belief that death is but a stage in a grand cycle of what appears to be futility and subjection. What need, then, to worry about nuclear weaponry, or sectarian frenzy, or the sale of indulgences to men of the stamp of Steven Seagal? "Harmony" will doubtless kick in. During his visit to Beijing, our sentimental Baptist hypocrite of a president turned to his dictator host, recommended that he meet with the Dalai Lama and assured him that the two of them would get on well. That might easily turn out to be the case. Both are very much creatures of the material world.
SALON | July 13, 1998
Christopher Hitchens, a columnist for Vanity Fair, is a regular contributor to Salon.
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lust
 
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Reply Wed 16 Apr, 2008 09:33 am
I am a Chinese. And I am sad.
I find it is really hard for me to say anything about the Tibet, esp when I am only a student with poor English.
There is a GREAT gap between western and estern land, and neither side can explain everything due to the totally different culture and history.
I know, China is a child in terms of "democracy". Chinese know the lack of democracy in China as well. They are not blind as you think.
However, the leadership of China understands this problem more than anyone. But, the change needs time.
Someone may be surprised why, this time Chinese have showed greater attention and reaction to the issue of Tibet, than that of Taiwan or others?
If anyone has found the answer, he or she might find out some really sad explaination.
I understand that CCTV in China has told too many lies and it has lost its credit in the international stage. So it always reminds me of the famous story-"The Boy Who Cried Wolf ".

I am sad, indeed.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2010 07:10 am
Here you are Setanta.

Go for it.

Me, I was simply supporting Tibet's right to self determination. Same as I supported East Timor's rights to self determination & independence from Indonesia.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2010 10:18 am
My remarks in the other thread weren't addressed to the concept of self-determination (which i consider ludicrous in the case of the Dalai Lama), but were specifically related to the claims of spiritual purity on the part of Buddhists. Therefore, i cited the example of the crushing feudalism in Tibet in the days before the Chinese invasion.

Friendly Fuedalism: The Tibet Myth. I suggest you read this page, and please notice that the author has annotated the article with his sources.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2010 04:59 pm
@Setanta,
I know you comments weren't about self determination, Setanta. But mine were. I was responding to this comment of yours. I wanted to discuss self determination. :

Setanta
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Exactly my point, EB. For many people of my generation, Buddhism seemed "cool," and i suspect that is the continuing motivating factor. The Dalai Lama is a fraud, and all the complaints about Chinese oppression notwithstanding, the Tibetans are far better off than they were before the Chinese took over. It's easy to be an enthusiast when you have plenty to eat and sit reading about Jetsun Milarepa in the comfort of your easy chair in a warm room on a winter's night.




To which I responded:


msolga
Quote:
Quote:

Setanta
Quote:
...the Tibetans are far better off than they were before the Chinese took over.



msolga
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That really depends on what's meant by "better off" doesn't it?

How dare they protest & be punished when things are so great! Silly misguided fools.

Please excuse the digression. k. I won't do it again.

Back to topic, all .....


And later, this.:


msolga
Quote:
I'm not going to divert this thread any further than to say I'm completely in favour of peoples' rights to self-determination. Even if their particular determination is considered a "mistake" by outsiders who "know better". It could also be argued that East Timor would have been far "better off" remaining under Indonesian rule. They are certainly having a tough time of it as an independent country. But, after a long, bloody struggle, they achieved their goal of independence & good luck to them. Living with cultural, religious & political oppression is something that most of us have never experienced first hand & probably never will. Who are we to tell the East Timorese, or the Tibetans, that they are wrong or misguided to want what they want?

Apologies again, k. Sorry.


The reason I thought it inappropriate to discuss these issues further on the other thread was because my concerns had nothing to do with Atheism. My concerns (in response to your comment) were humanitarian & political.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2010 11:34 pm
If you concerns are humanitarian, then you would certainly not wish to see the pre-invasion, Buddhist monastic feudal system imposed on the people once again. If your concerns are political, and run to self-determination, then i would not think you would want to see the Dalai Lama imposed on the people of Tibet unless they chose him to rule the country in a free an open plebiscite.
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2010 11:39 pm
@Setanta,
http://www.dalailama.com/biography/questions-and-answers

Quote:
Question: Will you be the last Dalai Lama?

Answer: Whether the institution of the Dalai Lama remains or not depends entirely on the wishes of the Tibetan people. It is for them to decide. I made this clear as early as in 1969. Even in 1963, after four years in exile, we made a draft constitution for a future Tibet which is based on the democratic system. The constitution clearly mentions that the power of the Dalai Lama can be removed by a two-thirds majority vote of the members of the Assembly. At the present moment, the Dalai Lama's institution is useful to the Tibetan culture and the Tibetan people. Thus, if I were to die today, I think the Tibetan people would choose to have another Dalai Lama. In the future, if the Dalai Lama's institution is no longer relevant or useful and our present situation changes, then the Dalai Lama's institution will cease to exist.Personally, I feel the institution of the Dalai Lama has served its purpose. More recently, since 2001 we now have a democratically elected head of our administration, the Kalon Tripa. The Kalon Tripa runs the daily affairs of our administration and is in charge of our political establishment. Half jokingly and half seriously, I state that I am now in semi-retirement.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2010 11:50 pm
Note that the Dalai Lama thinks he should be removed from the picture only if two thirds of an assembly votes to dispense with him. Also please note that Lobsand Tenzin, the Kalon Tripa, is a lama himself. He was chosen by an assembly to which he, and all the other members had been appointed by the Dalai Lama, and which assembly is the one which he says would have to vote--by a two thirds majority--for him to be deposed. I see no evidence here that the Dalai Lama wants to end the theocracy.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:54 pm
Quote:

Obama to go ahead with Dalai Lama meeting
February 13, 2010 - 12:18PM/the AGE

The United States on Friday escalated a mounting row on multiple fronts with China, refusing Beijing's demand to cancel President Barack Obama's meeting next week with the Dalai Lama.

The deepening public spat over Tibet, a row over US arms sales to Taiwan, China's dispute with Google and trade and currency disagreements, come at a key diplomatic moment, as Obama seeks Chinese help to toughen sanctions on Iran.

The White House announced on Thursday that Obama would hold his long-awaited meeting with the revered Dalai Lama at the White House next week, drawing an angry reaction from China and a demand for the invitation to be rescinded.

But Obama's spokesman Robert Gibbs signalled the White House would defy China's warning that the encounter would damage already strained Sino-US relations
.

"I do not know if their specific reaction was to cancel it," Gibbs said.

"If that was their specific reaction, the meeting will take place as planned next Thursday."

Obama avoided the Dalai Lama when he was in Washington in 2009, in an apparent bid to set relations with Beijing off on a good foot in the first year of a presidency which included several meetings with President Hu Jintao.

But he warned Chinese leaders on an inaugural visit to Beijing in November that he intended to meet the Buddhist monk.

China's foreign ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said earlier that Beijing firmly opposed "the Dalai Lama visiting the United States and US leaders having contact with him."

"China urges the US... to immediately call off the wrong decision of arranging for President Obama to meet with the Dalai Lama... to avoid any more damage to Sino-US relations."


The Dalai Lama fled Tibet into exile in India in 1959, after a failed uprising against Chinese rule. He denies he wants independence for Tibet, insisting he is looking only for "meaningful autonomy."

Obama's meeting with the Dalai Lama will take place in the White House Map Room and not, in an apparent effort to mollify China, in the Oval Office, where US presidents normally meet VIPs and visiting government chiefs.

The Obama administration has insisted disputes over Tibet, Taiwan, currency and Google will not hamper efforts to win the support of China, a veto-wielding member of the UN Security Council, on toughened nuclear sanctions against Iran.

China has yet to agree to the concept of toughened sanctions over Iran's nuclear program, calling for more negotiations, even as Russia appears closer to backing the move to punish Tehran.

AFP


http://www.theage.com.au/world/obama-to-go-ahead-with-dalai-lama-meeting-20100213-ny09.html
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2010 01:32 am
@msolga,
Good on Obama. I really think that bowing to Chinese bullying is NOT a way to go, whatever the hell you think of the Dalai Lama himself.

Anyhoo, the only opinion of him that really matters is that of the majority of Tibetans.

Whose business is it of anyone else's whether they would, if allowed, choose to have a secular democracy, a secular democracy with a Dalai Lama as religious head, or a Buddhist oligarchy?
 

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