real life wrote:Diest TKO wrote:RL - If you can't identify and articulate how society is jeopardized by aboriton in a practical sense, you can't make the case you are making for it to be ilegal.
How is society jeopardized when those who cannot defend themselves are fair game?
You changed the question...
real life wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm, let's think about it.
real life wrote:
Lots of folks can fit in that category. If they 'disappeared' , it can be argued that social order would not be harmed, it might even be enhanced.
That "category" is one you created, not the category which I asked about. Only the unborn can be aborted. You're trying to dodge.
real life wrote:
Let's think about the mentally ill, the aged, the terminally ill, the handicapped, newborns, criminals, those with politically volatile opinions, hermits and other asocial types.........
Again, you are dodging. I asked a simple question, and you can't answer it. As for your list, you're trying to imply a systemic implementation, I only ask about an individuals choice. Of all the things on your list, I think it's interesting that you put two things of interest.
1) Criminals
2) The elderly
The first is interesting because it is one population which society does in fact take away their freedoms, and in some cases while those freedoms are the custody of the state, they are executed.
The second is interesting because in some cases the elderly (or terminally ill) decide that they are in great pain and would prefer to take their own lives.
real life wrote:
If a mother wants to pitch her newborn in the dumpster, how is the social order undermined? Just one less mouth to feed and one less 'unwanted' child waiting to be an abuse victim later on in life (of course infanticide IS abuse, but let's not talk about that).
Well this has implications of potential fraud for one. Two, unlike unplanned pregnancy, a mother with a born child has options in terms of relieving herself of the burden of care. In short: Nobody can give birth for you, but society provides a means to raise a child in your absence. IF you don't plan to raise the child, you have choices prior to the dumpster.
real life wrote:
How many groups of folks are you willing to put on the 'Expendable' list?
Peculiar that you use the word expendable, when I certainly never have. More interesting is that you imply I'm creating some list, which I am not.
Your arguments are taylored on a gross misinterpretations. I don't believe that the unborns are expendable. I simply don't believe that a woman's choice needs to be governed by law. The reasons I don't are centric around the fact that abortion doesn't threaten social order. I believe that a woman can make a choice on her own. I do conceed that abortion can be regulated, but I believe that society can comprimise between the intrests of the woman, the unborn, and the state.
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