London to hit car drivers with $50-a-day fee.

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noinipo wrote:

Why do I have the feeling that this kind of thing will never happen in North America?

Maybe because we in North America will fight it with great energy ?

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It takes a very brave mayor to do the right thing.

Did the mayor warn the voters, beforehand,
of what he 'd DO to them, if thay elected him ?

or did he just spring it on them, by stealth ?

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Most politicians are pleasing the lobbyists instead of the people.

Democracy cannot work
in the absence of special interest groups and their lobbists.
THAY r the voice of the people.
Without special interest groups and their lobbists, politicians
wud just do whatever thay damn well pleased.

As a citizen and and as a voter,
I am represented by numerous special interest groups, thru their (MY) lobbyists,
to whose salaries I contribute.

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This sounds like unjust enrichment for whoever is getting all those pounds
( of sterling silver, I take it ? )

David

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Lobbist? What the hell is a lobbist?

The distinction which I'msickDavid misses here (no surprise) is that the people rule in a democracy, not the lobbyists for special interests. The problems we have with government today stem in large measure from the undue influence of lobbyists.

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Setanta wrote:

Lobbist? What the hell is a lobbist?

The distinction which I'msickDavid misses here (no surprise) is that the people rule in a democracy, not the lobbyists for special interests. The problems we have with government today stem in large measure from the undue influence of lobbyists.

The lobbyists are the voice of the people who "rule in a democracy".

It appears that u have never taken a moment to reflect upon the fact
that members of the general electorate do not have the time,
and thay do not apply themselves to looking over the shoulders of all
politicians of all branches of the federal, state, and all municipal governments
to keep up to date as to all matters threatening all of their many heterogenious
and disparate interests of politics and economics.

For that purposes EACH special interest group must spy on the politicians
of EACH government and sound the alarm
to their constituents, so that the latter can call or write to threaten to fire
the politicians, in order to get control of what thay r doing.

Without this process, the voters r blind until it is too late,
government is UNCONTROLLED and democracy is defeated.

David

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Apparently, you have never left your personal delusions long enough to see what it is that lobbyist actually do, which is to attempt to buy influence for small special interest groups, and the people be damned. I'm not surprised to learn that you are so self-deluded that you think lobbyists are watchdogs for the people.

Wanna buy a bridge?

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You can tone down your phony-baloney righteous indignation, though, I'msick . . . Noinipo here is woefully out of date. Ken Livingstone is no longer Lord Mayor of London. In an already close race, he was torpedoed by the revelation that he had children by several different women.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

The lobbyists are the voice of the people who "rule in a democracy".

Sorry, I didn't know someone could say such insanity with a straight face..

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I'm quite proud of my lobbyists, and I do pay for their services.

This idiot mayor just put several major corporations pretty much out of business, affecting countless thousands of jobs. What an idiot.

May I suggest someone go shoot the bastard? Oh, sorry, I forgot, free speech and guns have been confiscated in Europe...

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Speaking of idiots--Tinkerbell--as i have already pointed out, Ken Livingstone is no longer Lord Mayor of London.

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I'm sure that's a relief to most Londoners. I hear they really like Peter Pan there too, so a big gay Peter Pan like Set should fit right in.

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some of you guys are truly nuts

Boris Johnson is mayor. He has blond hayor.

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Setanta wrote:

Apparently, you have never left your personal delusions long enough to see what it is that lobbyist actually do, which is to attempt to buy influence for small special interest groups, and the people be damned. I'm not surprised to learn that you are so self-deluded that you think lobbyists are watchdogs for the people.

Wanna buy a bridge?

Setanta, u seem to live in a sick fantasy world of common-well being.

The reality is that every citizen and every group of citizens
( which u arbitrarily claim to be small; maybe u think that lobbyists
reject the money of large special interest groups like labor unions )
has a right to demand redress of grievances
and to threaten to discharge from employment politicians who fail to
represent their wishes.

Have u as much contempt for the First Amendment as u do for the Second ?

David

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Steve 41oo wrote:

some of you guys are truly nuts

Boris Johnson is mayor. He has blond hayor.

For my part, candor moves me to confess that
I have no clue as to the identities of the mayors of England.

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I have no contempt for any of the amendments to the constitution, nor to any other portion of the constitution. You only say this because of your sick, twisted distortions of the meanings of these amendments. Large groups such as labor unions which employ lobbyists are the exceptions, and not the rule. Your claim that lobbyists are somehow the people's watchdogs over government is one of the most self-deluded pieces of bullshit i've seen in a month of Sundays.

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I was once a member of AARP--the American Association of Retired Persons. When the medicare legislation was passed a few years ago, AARP endorsed it, even though it was clearly not in the best interest of retired people. It began, right off the bat, with a one billion dollar give away to the HMOs. I stopped my membership in AARP. If you truly believe that lobbyists serve the interests of "the people," i can only say it is truly sad how deluded you are.

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Setanta wrote:

I have no contempt for any of the amendments to the constitution, nor to any other portion of the constitution. You only say this because of your sick, twisted distortions of the meanings of these amendments. Large groups such as labor unions which employ lobbyists are the exceptions, and not the rule. Your claim that lobbyists are somehow the people's watchdogs over government is one of the most self-deluded pieces of bullshit i've seen in a month of Sundays.

Your chosen syntax appears to imply that I said
that lobbyists represent " the people " as a collective unit.
My thoughts do not run in collectivistic lines.

People join many, many special interest groups which thay nourish financially.
Those groups hire lobbyists to advance and defend the interests of their members
( like National Association of Mfgrs, AARP, NRA, NAACP, Sierra Club,
AAA, Private Pilots, AA, etc, ad infinitum [almost, sort of] ).
A good example is the defeat of Hillary 's health care plan
by a gigantic flood of mail to Congress, instigated by the appropriate SIGs.

Without the efforts of those special interest groups
looking over the shoulders of politicians in legislative & executive branches
of federal, state, and ALL municipal governments
defending the INDIVIDUAL interests of their memberships, democracy 'd collapse
and politicians wud simply do as thay dam well pleased
and the citizens 'd not find out about it until it is too late to stop,
or maybe not at all.

David

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Setanta wrote:

I was once a member of AARP--the American Association of Retired Persons. When the medicare legislation was passed a few years ago, AARP endorsed it, even though it was clearly not in the best interest of retired people. It began, right off the bat, with a one billion dollar give away to the HMOs. I stopped my membership in AARP. If you truly believe that lobbyists serve the interests of "the people," i can only say it is truly sad how deluded you are.

"The people" whom I had in mind are their members who pay them,
not Karl Marx 's idea of "the masses."

I will not warrant that u will agree with all decisions of all SIGs,
whether u belong to them or not.
(HELL, a lot of guys will not even agree with their own wives.)

David

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

Your chosen syntax appears to imply that I said
that lobbyists represent " the people " as a collective unit.
My thoughts do not run in collectivistic lines.

Neither do mine, dipshit. Your thoughts run to a bullshit line of "rugged individualism" which has never existed in this nation, outside of the sociopaths and psychopaths who inflicted themselves on the Indians as the fled the westward movement of society.

You have written that lobbyists serve the people by keeping an eye on politicians. That is hopelessly naive. In fact, your rhetoric reminds me of nothing so much as the ranting communists of the 1950s. They wanted people to keep an eye on the interests of the people, too--only they called them commisars.

Lobbyists just love to see suckers like you come along. You're a shill for people who don't care if you live or die, so long as they get fat off the process of buying and selling politicians, and the people be damned.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

"The people" whom I had in mind are their members who pay them,
not Karl Marx 's idea of "the masses."

You love to trot out that communist slur ****, don't you. Anyone who does not agree with your loony view of society must be a commie, right?

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I will not warrant that u will agree with all decisions of all SIGs,
whether u belong to them or not.
(HELL, a lot of guys will not even agree with their own wives.)

Leaving aside your ineptitude in expressing yourself in English, it's apparent that you completely miss the point. Lobbyists look out for themselves, and themselves only. To accomplish this, they attempt to purchase as many politicians as possible, who are, by and large, in the business of looking out for themselves, and themselves only. I dropped AARP because they were no longer even maintaining the fiction of working for the special interest group which they claimed to represent.

Whether or not there is a sucker born every minute, i couldn't say. There certainly is no lack of them among the conservative crackpots, though.

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Set, you are a dipshit, loony, naive, sucker, commie.

Just parroting what you wrote.

Why don't you do us all a favor and commit suicide by stupidity, if you haven't already.

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