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OUTRAGE OVER WHALING ... #2 <cont>

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 01:00 am
@High Seas,
Well thank you, High Seas. Very generous of you.
Is this book related to whales, in some way?
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2010 01:53 am
I'm posting this latest (Australian) media update for your information.
I am not going to comment on it overly much, but will leave you to form your own conclusions about it at this critical time.
But the timing of this US statement is important.
Me, I'm wondering about what exactly the point of the soon of to be held IWC meeting in Morocco actually is. The countries which hold the real power in the decision (for their own purposes) hold the cards. They are attempting to stitch up the deal before the meeting.
Australia, which has certainly not been perfect (by a long shot! Under this current government) is upholding the position that "scientific whaling" is a load of self-serving bunkum.
To me, if the powers behind the IWC decide on a return to "limited" whaling, they'd better leave the "scientific " aspect out of it & come up with an argument that actually has some real conviction ... because we all know "scientific whaling" is load of crap! Let them justify it on other, far better grounds.


Quote:

Don't bet the whales, US warns

ANDREW DARBY
May 31, 2010/the AGE


THE US has warned that Australia's decision to take Japan to court over whaling is a gamble on whales' lives.


If Australia loses, all other anti-whaling countries will have lost as well, according to Washington's top whale policy official, Monica Medina.

Ms Medina, the US Commissioner at the International Whaling Commission, told The Age yesterday the US wanted to save whales now using the diplomatic route, rather than take a chance on favourable litigation.

''This is a 'bet the whales' case,'' she said of the Australian case to be lodged at the International Court of Justice this week.

Ms Medina's comments highlight a difference of opinion between the two anti-whaling countries before President Barack Obama's planned visit to Australia, and a critical IWC meeting in Morocco from June 21.


Washington is still pushing for an IWC peace deal to rein in current hunts and close loopholes that allow abuses like ''scientific'' whaling, although deep splits remain between pro and anti-whaling sides.

''Australia has made its decision, but the US remains committed to the diplomatic process because we want to save whales now, not take a chance on a favourable outcome in litigation that will take several years to conclude,'' Ms Medina said.

''I prefer to maintain control of any possible outcomes by recommitting to working for a negotiated solution where we get to decide what an acceptable outcome is, rather than leave that decision up to a court.''

But the US-based International Fund for Animal Welfare said the Australian action was bold and refreshing. ''I don't think it will enhance the prospects of an about-face by Japan in Morocco, but I don't think that was going to happen anyway,'' said IFAW global whale program director Patrick Ramage.

The Japanese government said the Australian action was regrettable while the IWC talks were continuing.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said at the weekend the legal action was being taken now because, although talks continued, diplomacy had not worked, and it was time to make Australia's approach ''crystal clear''.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott supported ''effective and appropriate'' international legal action against whaling, but said this case was being launched as a distraction from domestic troubles.

The federal government is withholding details of Australia's case before lodging of papers in The Hague this week.

ANU international law professor Don Rothwell said he expected Australia would soon seek an injunction to halt research whaling while the main case was heard. Professor Rothwell was a member of panels that argued whaling was an ''abuse of right'' under international law.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/dont-bet-the-whales-us-warns-20100530-wnie.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:15 pm
Video link: From last night's (Oz ABC) Foreign Correspondent.
The "Toyko Two" & the progress of their court case, plus other related current issues on Japanese whaling.
You'll find the video link almost at on the bottom of the ABC News link below, second from the left. Titled The Catch. I found it very informative & interesting. :


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The catch
The Tokyo Two face jail for exposing corruption in the Japanese whaling industry.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/


Transcript: The Catch:
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2010/s2921893.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:25 pm
@msolga,
Related ABC News story. (plus lots of other related links.)
Of course, none of these allegations are anything new to anyone who's been following the progress of the Toyko Two court case in Japan .. :


Quote:
Whalers blow whistle on meat racket
By North Asia correspondent Mark Willacy
Updated Tue Jun 8, 2010 11:08am AEST


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201006/r580416_3644946.jpg
The whistleblowers claim some crewmen made a fortune from reselling the whale meat. (AFP: Kazuhiro Nogi, file photo)

Australia's bid to take Japan to the International Court of Justice over its so-called scientific whaling program may be about to get a boost.

Two former Japanese whalers have told the ABC's Foreign Correspondent program of systemic embezzlement by crewmen onboard the country's whaling ships.

Speaking for the first time, they say that crew members are taking what amounts to hundreds of kilograms of prime cuts of whale meat, either for personal consumption or to sell on to restaurants.

One whistleblower, who asks to be called Kujira San - Japanese for "Mr Whale" - says this practice even extends to the body in charge of the scientific whaling program.

Kujira San, a former crewman on Japan's whaling fleet flagship the Nisshin Maru, says what he is revealing could get him killed because his former shipmates do not tolerate those who break the code of silence.

"First, when the ship returns to Japan and arrives in the port, a transport truck is waiting. The crewmen will then pack the whale meat they stole into a cardboard box. One person carried off 500 to 600 kilograms," he said.

He claimed some crewmen made a fortune from reselling the meat.

These are explosive allegations which, if true, undermine much of Japan's claim that its whaling program is centred on scientific research.... <cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921092.htm?site=news
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:36 pm
@msolga,
Just found this story, published today, in the Sydney Morning Herald.
For those of you who haven't been following the progress of the Toyko Two court case, it contains relevant background (some of it pretty bizarre!), plus update on world protests in support of the two.:


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Whaling protesters demand release of Toyko Two

GEORGINA ROBINSON
June 9, 2010 - 12:14PM/SMH


http://images.smh.com.au/2010/06/09/1579947/junichi-sato-and-toru-suzuki-420x0.jpg
The Tokyo 2 ... Junichi Sato and Toru Suzuki. Photo: Greenpeace

Junichi Sato and Toru Suzuki thought they'd cracked wide open Japan's secretive whaling industry.

The activist pair had snatched from a shipping depot a 23-kilogram case of salted whale meat cuts smuggled off the country's flagship scientific whaling vessel, the Nisshin Maru.

Sato and Suzuki reported their find to police and called a media conference, intending to expose what they alleged was a smuggling ring operating within Japan's scientific research program.

But a month later the pair, now known as the Tokyo Two, were arrested and detained for 26 days, during which time they were tied to chairs and interrogated, Sato claims.

They were eventually charged with theft and trespass and are now facing 18-month jail terms.

An official investigation into the men's claims was started but later dropped on the grounds that the meat was meant as "souvenirs" and were not sold, Greenpeace says.

The case has enraged anti-whaling activists across the world.

Dozens of people gathered in Montreal, Canada, yesterday with a petition urging Sato and Suzuki's release.

Similar protests are planned for Vancouver, Germany, the United States, India, China and New Zealand, Greenpeace said.

Commercial whaling has been banned worldwide since 1986, but Japan justifies its annual hunts as "scientific research," while not hiding the fact that the meat is later sold in shops and restaurants.

The alleged theft took place in 2008 at a delivery service depot in Japan's northern Aomori prefecture.

Sato, 33, and Suzuki, 43, have not denied taking the box to use as evidence that whale meat from the state-funded expeditions was being embezzled.

They alleged the salted parcels had been sent to crew members for personal consumption or sale.


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/whale-watch/whaling-protesters-demand-release-of-toyko-two-20100609-xv35.html
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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:36 pm
Is it possible that the Obama Administration will capitulate to a proposed plan that permits Japan, Norway, and Iceland to resume commercial whaling?

As unlikely as it sounds, the answer is yes. The Obama Administration has indeed supported, behind closed doors, a dangerous new proposal to overturn the global whaling ban.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierce-brosnan/mr-president-dont-give-wh_b_603706.html

msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:40 pm
@Irishk,
I'm so hoping the US government is reconsidering, Irishk!
Thank you for that bit of hope.
You've just made my day! Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 08:54 pm
My understanding is that Australia has now lodged its case in the International Court of Justice, though I can't find the article I saw which actually says it has. (damn). I haven't the time to look now.

No fresh news on the "backroom negotiations" in the IWC. Surprising, as the annual conference is about to happen. I'm hoping this is a good sign. (though who knows? Confused ) :


Quote:
AUSTRALIA has launched unprecedented international legal action against Japan to halt its annual whale hunts in the Southern Ocean.

Announcing the legal challenge yesterday, Environment Minister Peter Garrett said Australia had exhausted all diplomatic avenues to stop Southern Ocean whaling, and had been left with no option but to take legal action in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague.


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/australia-to-take-japan-to-court-over-whaling-20100528-wlle.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 09:04 pm
One last news item related top whaling. (Doing a bit of a catch-up this morning.):

Quote:
Sea Shepherd casts Bethune adrift
Updated 7 hours 13 minutes ago

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has cut its links with anti-whaling activist Peter Bethune after he carried a bow and arrows during confrontations with Japanese whalers in the Southern Ocean.

The New Zealand-born activist and former Ady Gil skipper is currently on trial in Tokyo after being arrested when he forced his way on board a whaling vessel in Antarctic waters in February....<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921909.htm?site=news
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 06:54 pm
Still looking (with little success so far) on any new IWC conference developments. Very little information out there. Very strange. Things appear to have gone very quiet on the IWC front.
However, I found this as I was searching. Interesting. Earlier on we were speculating on the changed US position on whaling. We'd assumed it was for economic/trade reasons (with Japan). This article offers another perspective on the US stance. It also suggests the US is rethinking its position. :


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http://surfspots-gps.com/iwc-meeting-morocco-june-tragedy-for-whales-looms
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 04:36 am
@msolga,
This is kinda out of date Msolga. Sen Stevens had lost his last election and was facing criminal charges (I believe). Hes yesterday's news of Alaska along with Ms PAlin.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 07:09 am
@farmerman,
No, he was mentioned in this article because of his influence on the the previous US Whaling Commissioner & also IWC chairman, prior to the 2007 IWC conference, farmer. For setting in train a course of action which eventually led to the US changing its position on whaling. The article was published 10 days ago as background information to this month's conference in Morocco.


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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:43 am
Still searching for information on the Morroco IWC conference. Which should be happening any minute now. There really is very little media information available. Very strange, given the importance of this meeting. I don't know whether this is a good or bad thing for conservationists, but I'm hoping against hope ...
The IWC chairman who masterminded the compromise deal (for "limited" commercial whaling) won't be present. He's off sick.
The following article is one of a handful I've found in the past week.
About bribery by Japan of nations to support the pro-whaling position. Common knowledge indeed. We've covered this issue before on the 2 whaling threads. What can you say when such an important vote could be won by nations who have been influenced by bribery? What a farce!:

Quote:
Japan whaling bribery claims 'common knowledge'
By Felicity Ogilvie
Updated Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:24pm AEST

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200912/r484912_2488484.jpg
Legal action: Australia is taking Japan to court over its whaling in the Southern Ocean. (Australian Customs Service, file photo)

A conservation activist says an investigation into claims that Japan bribes small nations for their support on whaling is confirmation of what has been common knowledge for a long time.

Two reporters from Britain's Sunday Times newspaper posed as the lobbyists of a fictional Swiss billionaire and set out to buy votes at next week's International Whaling Commission (IWC) meeting.

Six countries told the reporters they were willing to consider their offer, but the reporters were told they would need to better the aid the countries are already getting from the Japanese.


Tanzania's IWC commissioner is recorded saying that as well as aid, politicians from his country are flown to Japan where they are offered prostitutes.

Geoffrey Nanyaro told the undercover reporters he has never used Japanese prostitutes.

"As a Christian, I live by the Bible, so I never indulge in such [activities]," he said.

Mr Nanyaro says when he visits Japan he is put up in a five-star hotel, and women offering massages often call his room.

"They start by saying you know, do you want massaging, you know, it will be free massaging, you know. Are you not alone there?"

Nicola Beynon from Humane Society International says the undercover investigation adds weight to what environmental groups have long suspected.

"It has been common knowledge for a long time that a number of countries that vote in favour of commercial whaling at the IWC are not actually voting because they genuinely want to see a return to commercial whaling, but they are voting because they are beholden to Japan and Japan's very generous fisheries aid," she said.


"This is confirming what has been common knowledge for a long time and there has been very few occasions where we have had proof of it."

Morocco meeting

The Japanese government is yet to comment on the bribery allegations, which come just a week before the International Whaling Commission (IWC) meets in Morocco.

The meeting will decide whether Japan wins approval for limited commercial whaling.


The decision is a critical one for the Australian Government as well, because if the proposal goes ahead it would destroy the Federal Government's legal case against the Japanese.

Every vote will be crucial. On the table is a compromise deal that could see a return to commercial whaling in exchange for an end to the killing of whales for so-called scientific research.

The compromise is the brainchild of the IWC chairman Cristian Maquieria, but he is sick and will not be at the meeting.

Ms Beynon is sure the deal will be debated without the chairman.

"I think it is going to come to a negotiation over the quotas, so if the quotas are big enough then Japan, Norway and Iceland will want the proposal," she said.

"They will be telling the countries who vote that they have been coercing ... to vote for it and then if those countries combined with some countries who just want a compromise.

"They are tired of the issue. They think if they support this compromise then the issue will die down for them politically. If those countries combine with the pro-whalers then we could see it going through."

Countries that are considering the compromise include the USA



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/14/2926496.htm
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Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:45 am
i know the best way to save the whales. we start selling their bodies for ad space. strap cameras to them and create reality shows.

but you really want to save an endangered species, save the pornstars.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:51 am
@Krumple,
You know, Krumple, at the moment I feel so despondent about the possible/likely outcome of this IWC conference that I can't tell if you're half serious or not. Neutral
Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:56 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

You know, Krumple, at the moment I feel so despondent about the possible/likely outcome of this IWC conference that I can't tell if you're half serious or not. Neutral


well I'm being a little cynical because the only time anything gets done is if there is a huge sack of Benjamins at the other end. We will gladly pay sport players millions of dollars to catch balls and toss them around but we won't bother to spend a few million to clean up the ocean. Hence the "selling their bodies for ad space" because then they might actually be worth saving. No one really cares about the whales because we would rather focus on the world cup. If they wouldn't have taken the wrong road down the evolutionary track they could have been the ones who didn't have to swim in garbage of the elite.

Humans won't really care about any animals until there's none left to eat.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 02:02 am
Here's the other article I found. Dated the 10th of June. A bit late, sorry.
Regardless of what the outcome of the IWC conference might be, Japan has launched yet another "research whaling" operation. :


Quote:
Japan launches whaling fleet 10 days from vote
By Sarah Clarke
ABC NEWS online
Updated Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:00pm AEST

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200912/r484993_2489340.jpg
The whaling commission meets in just over a week. (File photo) (www.customs.gov.au)

Conservation groups have condemned Japan for starting its summer whaling hunt in the north-west Pacific less than 10 days before the annual whaling commission meets.

A Japanese whaling fleet consisting of three harpoon and two research ships left port yesterday to hunt 160 whales before returning in August.

Their quota is to kill 100 sei whales, 50 bryde's whales and 10 sperm whales before returning in late August.


Nicola Beynon from Humane Society International says it is a provocative move, given countries are currently negotiating a compromise deal on the future of whaling.

"Generally their scientific whaling has been against the spirit of the negotiations for a compromise and this hunt like their Antarctic hunt is unacceptable," she said.

"To be doing it when governments are trying to reach a compromise over the future of whaling it is just adding insult to injury.

"It's just serving to put pressure - undue pressure - on governments to capitulate to their demands."

The International Whaling Commission meets in Morocco in just over a week and countries will be asked to vote on a new deal which could overturn a 24-year moratorium on commercial whaling


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/10/2923869.htm?site=news
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 02:05 am
@Krumple,
Amen.

(Check out my signature line. At the bottom of my posts.)

<Sigh>
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 02:14 am
@Krumple,
But I failed to say welcome, Krumple!
So nice to meet you! Smile
I do hope you have more to say on whales & whaling.
It's been getting a little lonely on this thread lately. Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 03:24 am
The IWC conference begins in Morocco on June 21st. (At least I've been able to establish the exact starting date.)

In the absence of even minimal lead-up information in the media from the IWC, I'd be really grateful if any of you could post any details you might come across.

Thanks,
Olga
 

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