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“The disease called man”--Nietzsche

 
 
coberst
 
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 04:44 am
"The disease called man"--Nietzsche

Aristotle said that all men seek happiness. Freud said that the goal of the pleasure-principle is happiness. Man's desire for happiness sets at odds to the reality-principle. It is the reality-principle that propels the world into tomorrow. Humans naturally seek what they wish but "reality imposes on human beings the necessity of renunciation of pleasures".

Therein lay the rub an the rub is called repression.the essence of society is the repression of the individual--the essence of the individual is repression of him or her selfNorman Brown tells us that to comprehend Freud one must understand "repression". "In the new Freudian perspective, the essence of society is repression of the individual, the essence of the individual is repression of the self."

Freud discovered the importance of repression when he discovered the meaning of the "mad" symptoms of the mentally deranged, plus the meaning of dreams, and thirdly the everyday happenings regarded as slips of the tongue, errors, and random thoughts. He concludes that dreams, mental derangements, and common every day errors (Freudian slips) have meaningful causes that can be explained. Meaningful is the key word here.

Since these psychic phenomena are unconscious we must accept that we have motivation to action with a purpose for which we are unconscious (involuntary purposes). This inner nature of which we are completely unaware leads to Freud's definition of psychoanalysis as "nothing more than the discovery of the unconscious in mental life."

Freud discovered that sapiens have unconscious causes which are hidden from her because they are disowned and hidden by the conscious self. The dynamic relationship between the unconscious and conscious life is a constant battle and psychoanalysis is a science of this mental conflict.

The rejection of an idea which is one's very own and remains so is repression. The essence of repression is in the fact that the individual refuses to recognize this reality of her very own nature. This nature becomes evident when it erupts into consciousness only in dreams or neurotic symptoms or by slips of the tongue.

The unconscious is illuminated only when it is being repressed by the conscious mind. It is a process of psychic conflict. "We obtain our theory of the unconscious from the theory of repression." Freud's hypothesis of the repressed unconscious results from the conclusion that it is common to all humans. This is a phenomenon of everyday life; neurosis is common to all humans.

Dreams are normal phenomena and being that the structure of dreams is common to neurotics and normal people the dream is also neurotic. "Between "normality" and "abnormality" there is no qualitative but only quantitative difference, based largely on the practical question of whether our neurosis is serious enough to incapacitate us for work…the doctrine of the universal neurosis of mankind is the psychoanalytical analogue of the theological doctrine of original sin."

Quotes from "Life against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History" Norman O. Brown

If you do not perceive your self to be a cauldron of conflict does that mean that the science of psychology is just a bunch of baloney?

If you look and cannot see it does that mean it does not exist?

Must we prepare our self in order to see?
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fresco
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:01 am
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Must we prepare our self in order to see?


No. We must transcend the self, but your posts indicate that you have no idea what that means.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:08 am
The disease called Coberst.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 10:15 am
Didn't nietzche say that man is something that must be triumphed over, or something to that effect? So that the "ubermensch" can enter the stage...

I don't remember it clearly, long time since I read it.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:33 pm
Re: "The disease called man"--Nietzsche
coberst wrote:
Since these psychic phenomena are unconscious we must[/u] accept that we have motivation to action with a purpose for which we are unconscious (involuntary purposes).


The word "must" unfortunately, if aptly, reveals the theory of repression for what it is: something that operates as a premise rather than a conclusion and, as such, serves as a rationalization rather than an explanation of human behavior. Like most psychoanalysis, the theory of repression contains built-in mechanisms that allow it to absorb contradictions. Even If I deny that I am repressing an emotion, the theory of repression helps Freud to say that say that this denial is itself proof that I am repressing an emotion. It goes without saying that a theory which can tout contradictions as proof is no explanation at all. This is why psychoanalysis can only be applied retroactively to things that have already happened rather than offer predictions about things that will happen. Unless it can do the latter, it can't be tested; and if it can't be tested, then it is devoid of explanatory power. In a statement like

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Freud's hypothesis of the repressed unconscious results from the conclusion that it is common to all humans.


the very universality of the hypothesis undermines its usefulness. One can't help but question an explanation of human behavior that is applicable to all individuals, which is to say applicable regardless of the individual, which is to say applicable without regard for the individual. At that point, it ceases to be an explanation of an individual's behavior and instead becomes a rationalization of it.

Thus, Coberst, everywhere where you've used the word "discovered" (as in "Freud discovered the importance of repression when he discovered the meaning of the "mad" symptoms of the mentally deranged"), I would use the word "invented."
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coberst
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 02:33 am
Re: "The disease called man"--Nietzsche
Shapeless wrote:
coberst wrote:
Since these psychic phenomena are unconscious we must[/u] accept that we have motivation to action with a purpose for which we are unconscious (involuntary purposes).


Thus, Coberst, everywhere where you've used the word "discovered" (as in "Freud discovered the importance of repression when he discovered the meaning of the "mad" symptoms of the mentally deranged"), I would use the word "invented."


I think you are correct. Freud did create something out of what before was only chaos. One might properly liken him to an Einstein or a Darwin.
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