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why do we celebrate Jesus birthday on Dec 25th

 
 
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2007 11:58 am
Pity isn't a quality associated with jesus, although many christians pity in their attempts to show compassion.

And compassion isn't something that was introduced with christianity.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2007 01:14 pm
spendius wrote:
Pity didn't exist before Jesus and it is not something which comes easily to human beings.


Baloney. It can be found in many cultures before Christ. Where do you get that nonsense from?
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2007 01:23 pm
Reading history.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2007 01:56 pm
I suppose some Christians like to think they have a monopoly on pity, compassion, morals and ethics.

But history shows otherwise.
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curtis73
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2007 04:32 pm
The movie Zeitgeist has an excellent explanation of the origins of the Dec 25th date. It also explains why almost every religious figure in history has had his/her birthday celebrated on Dec 25th.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 02:45 pm
It has. If you skip back to page two of this thread you will find a link to it Smile
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stevewonder
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 09:56 am
The reason?
Sun god
son of G.d

same difference.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 02:51 pm
First Dec. 25 Xmas tied to pagan shrine
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer

The church where the tradition of celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25 may have begun was built near a pagan shrine as part of an effort to spread Christianity, a leading Italian scholar says.

Italian archaeologists last month unveiled an underground grotto that they believe ancient Romans revered as the place where a wolf nursed Rome's legendary founder Romulus and his twin brother Remus.

A few feet from the grotto, or "Lupercale," the Emperor Constantine built the Basilica of St. Anastasia, where some believe Christmas was first celebrated on Dec. 25.

Constantine ended the frequent waves of anti-Christian persecutions in the Roman empire by making Christianity a lawful religion in 313. He played a key role in unifying the beliefs and practices of the early followers of Jesus.

In 325, he convened the Council of Nicaea, which fixed the dates of important Christian festivals. It opted to mark Christmas, then celebrated at varying dates, on Dec. 25 to coincide with the Roman festival celebrating the birth of the sun god, Andrea Carandini, a professor of archaeology at Rome's La Sapienza University, told reporters Friday.

The Basilica of St. Anastasia was built as soon as a year after the Nicaean Council. It probably was where Christmas was first marked on Dec. 25, part of broader efforts to link pagan practices to Christian celebrations in the early days of the new religion, Carandini said.

"The church was built to Christianize these pagan places of worship," he said. "It was normal to put a church near these places to try to 'save' them."

Rome's archaeological superintendent Angelo Bottini, who did not take part in Carandini's research, said that hypothesis was "evocative and coherent" and "helps us understand the mechanisms of the passage from paganism to Christianity."

Bottini and Carandini both said future digs could bolster the link between the shrine and the church if structures belonging to the "Lupercale" are found directly below the basilica.

The Basilica St. Anastasia was the first church to rise not on the ancient city's outskirts, but on the Palatine Hill, the palatial center of power and religion in imperial Rome, Carandini said. Though little known today, at the time of Constantine it was one of the most important basilicas for Christians in Rome, he said.

The "Lupercale" shrine ?- named after the "lupa," Latin for she-wolf ?- is 52 feet below ground. So far, archaeologists have only been able to see it by inserting probes and cameras that have revealed a vaulted ceiling decorated with colored marble and a white imperial eagle.

Though some experts have expressed doubts that the grotto is in fact the mythological nursery of Romulus and Remus, most archaeologists believe the shrine fits the descriptions found in ancient texts, and plans are being drawn up to excavate the structure further.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071222/ap_on_re_eu/italy_roman_christmas;_ylt=AhQVMIL9vj.piLdaFD1TZVGs0NUE
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