Ararat Anomaly

Right you are!

However if one's evidentary standards are so low as to accept Noah's Ark, then given that better arguments for alien dudes hanging' out in UFOs can be made, does that not logically* oblige the believer in Noah's Ark to believe in the alien dudes?

*I'm not talking rationally

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Chumly wrote:

*I'm not talking rationally

That will be no handicap when dealing with Bobble-thumpers.

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seems to me that given the number of wealthy evangelists in the US, one of them would have the foresight to organize an Ararat expedition to locate the *Ararat anomaly*, if any of them truly believed that remnants of Noah's ark exist. Short of the second coming, what could be a more effective rejoinder to skeptics and secularists than physical proof of the Deluge? It would be certainly more effective than alleged side-by-side fossil footprints of humans and dinosaurs, for instance. But if none of these people, who have made it their life's mission & business to exhort others to believe in the Bible, believe in an Ararat anomaly, then far be it for a skeptic like me to suspend my disbelief.

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America's spy agency, the CIA, has for decades kept a growing dossier of classified military and spy satellite photos of a small patch of ice near the peak of (greater) Mt Ararat. In about one in ten of those years, the ice melts back enough to expose what some have suggested are the remains of Noah's Ark.

For the last seven years,1 Professor Porcher Taylor has used the USA's Freedom of Information laws to try and get those photos of the so-called 'Ararat Anomaly' released. Exasperated with government recalcitrance, Taylor arranged his own satellite photos of the area, which were recently published, though not definitive either way.2,3

If the Ark is not under that ice, why the official secrecy? A mundane explanation is possible. Photos of thousands of military installations and other sensitive spots around the globe are automatically classified secret by US authorities. 'We couldn't release [the Ararat satellite imaging] because it shows what we were targeting,' says an anonymous senior intelligence source.3

Turkish authorities think that target is CIA listening posts buried in the ice, once used to track missiles from the nearby Soviet base.3

Could a wooden vessel such as the Ark have survived to modern times? On one hand, we don't know the qualities of what the Bible calls 'gopher wood'; there was a 'pitch' (probably resin) coating; and the chances of preservation would be enhanced in such a cold, remote place. A handful of wooden vessels have indeed survived from ancient times.4

On the other hand, the ravages of shifting ice, and the lava flows of which there is evidence on Ararat, plus the post-Flood need for fuel and building materials, combine to reduce the probability of survival of the Ark.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i2/ararat.asp

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Ooooo . . . Answers in Genesis--now there's a reliable source, no bias there, huh?

Wanna buy a bridge?

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Setanta wrote:

Ooooo . . . Answers in Genesis--now there's a reliable source, no bias there, huh?

Wanna buy a bridge?

LOL.

I couldn't resist set!

Here ya go:

http://www.eomonline.com/Common/Archives/1998feb/98feb_anthony.html

For over 5000 years, Agri Dagi, or Mount Ararat, situated in the remote northeast corner of Turkey, 18 miles south of the Georgia border and 12 miles west of Iran, has been believed to be the legendary resting place of Noah's Ark.
For over a century, mountain explorers, archeological researchers and people of faith have attempted to prove the existence of a massive wooden boat sitting about 2000 feet south of the mountain's summit. Eyewitness accounts and artist renditions have given way within the last 30 years, to satellite imagery, 3-D computer modeling and sharper aerial photography which have played more important roles in the quest.
There is no question that the story of a great flood and of a man who built a boat to escape it has fascinated the world for thousands of years. Tales independent of the Judeo-Christian Bible point to such an event. A flood seems to mark a certain age in the ancient Middle East. Unlike many archeological endeavors, the search for Noah's Ark is fraught with a complex agenda. For some fundamentalists, the discovery of the Ark is tantamount to proving every word of the Creation story as written in the Judeo-Christian Bible. For others, it means at least substantiating the account of a worldwide flood (also exclusive to the Judeo-Christian telling of the story). In fact, "Ark fever" has hit many who are anxious to attach the discovery to some specific religious meaning. As a result, "phantom arks" have been sighted all over the mountain. Many of these so-called sightings have turned out to be rock formations.
But for others, a discovery would simply serve as a major archeological find and proof that some significant occurrence took place in that region over 5000 years ago. Discovery of an Ark may not prove anything more than a legend - so wide reaching that it is told in over 200 cultures worldwide - had some basis in fact.

Uncovering an Anomaly
On June 17, 1949, a U.S. Air Force plane was flying a classified photographic mission over Mount Ararat. As the plane reached the 15,500 foot level, about a mile away from the mountain, its cameras inadvertently recorded - in two frames - a massive linear shaped anomaly protruding out from a glacial ice cap at the southwest edge of the nearly mile long western plateau.
The plane then flew around to the north side of the mountain and recorded three photos (from distances ranging from two miles) of another large structure on the western plateau, apparently in close proximity to the first anomaly. This adjacent anomaly was also fully visible and exposed all the way across the plateau. Three apparently huge, thick, symmetrical protrusions merged together and appeared to be jutting straight up into the air out of a large wing like portion of the adjacent anomaly. Parts of the protrusions seemed to be severely damaged.
The photos from this 1949 mission were not released to the public until 46 years later when, citing the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Porcher L. Taylor III, a University of Richmond professor, successfully lobbied the government for the images. The 1949 photo was given to Taylor on March, 14, 1995, from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) along with an analysis.
From a map, it was determined that the anomaly was located at approximately 39 42' 10" N 044 16' 30" E at an elevation of approximately 14-15,000 feet and approximately 2.2 KM horizontal distance west of the summit. Analysis of the anomaly was conducted through stereoscopic analysis of duplicate positive imagery of two frames of the HQ USAFE mission dated June 17, 1949. One monoscopic enlargement of the anomaly and three anaglyphic stereo enlargements were produced through digital manipulation of each frame and rendering of a composite image.
The DIA determined that the location of the anomaly was unstable, as evidenced in the photos by an apparent avalanche east of the anomaly. The DIA went on to say that "The accumulated ice and snow along this precipice obviously fall down the side of the mountain at frequent intervals, often leaving long linear facades. It appears that the anomaly is one of these linear facades in the glacial ice underlying more recent accumulated ice and snow." The DIA further concluded that "the tone and texture of the anomaly and the avalanche debris immediately below are consistent with that of the shadowed snow, ice and debris prevalent along the face of the precipice."
On March 19, 1995, Taylor approached The Palm Beach Post to have their photo lab analyze one of the 1949 photos at 1200 dots per inch (dpi) on their computerized photo scanner. David Barak, a photo-journalist with some military photo interpretation experience, discovered the "anomaly" that night while scanning the photo under digital enlargement. He commented that it "looked like a large submarine shaped like structure" jutting out of the ice cap.
At a NASA-sponsored imaging systems laboratory at a university in Florida, Taylor had imaging engineers spend about 15 hours scanning the "Anomaly" at 2000 dpi. They concluded that the plane was too far away to determine if the anomaly was a man-made or natural structure.
Next, Taylor went to DNA Electronic Imaging Specialists in Hollywood, Florida. Using a LVT Saturn Film Recorder - a computer system that can scan and produce film at 4064 dpi - DNA produced a 40" x 50" digital enlargement of the anomaly area.
Imaging specialist Roman Gomez, who helped the military make sharper original photos during the Persian Gulf War, scrutinized the photo and transparency at his workstation. DNA concluded, in writing, that the "anomaly quite possibly could be man-made in origin, or formed by other geological formations that are created by natural events."
On May 23-24, 1995, as a guest of the CIA, Taylor attended the CIA's historic symposium on Corona, the CIA's first reconnaissance satellite. At the symposium in Washington, Taylor talked to several current and retired CIA officials about his Project. He shared Frame 2 from the 1949 Pentagon mission with a senior retired CIA photo interpreter who had briefed President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. According to Taylor, this official had seen and evaluated for the CIA photos of an "anomaly" taken by a U-2 recon plane circa 1959 - 1960. He said the anomaly in Frame 2 was "too linear to be natural and that most of the structure appeared to be under ice." Furthermore, he said that it could be the same anomaly "that he [the CIA] had evaluated in 1959 - 1960 for a congressman," but "that ship-like anomaly was too big to be Noah's Ark."
On October 10, 1995, the Pentagon released Photo Frames 4, 5 and 6 from the 1949 mission to Taylor. DNA Photo Lab produced an impressive digital enlargement of the "Adjacent Anomaly" in Frame 6. Taylor intends to ask the remote sensing experts at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to conduct an evaluation of Photo Frame 6 of the "Adjacent Anomaly" from the 1949 mission...

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a quick reality check... there's no ark. The flood story is a fable. Get over it.

And the only animals that ever marched two by two to enter a structure as ridiculous as an ark, are people waiting in line at the Creation Museum.

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I love the way that scientific search tricks and equipment are interwoven with the bullshit part ,just to provide some sense of authenticity and credibility.
The fact is, if theyve known about this since 1949, why hasnt anyone gone there and collected the ships bell. We go to much more dangerous parts of the globe for much more frivouls reasons than to verify ones faith. Id consider this a "front burner" project were I a Creationist. I believe that their reluctance is because they know that the " maintaining a legend of bullshit" is more easily defended than actual absence of evidence of this same bullshit.

This gets really boring when BD tries to stir the pot for Gilgamesh or Noah .
As far as "getting over it"--dont think thats gonna happen ros. As long as nobody bothers to not go and not find anything on Ararat, they can milk this one for another generation or two. (At least until the First Holiday Inn Express is built on the slopes and it becomes a destination for extreme snowboarders)

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On every other mountain in the world, when you get a hazy image of a big grey blocky thing, you call it a boulder (duh). But on Ararat they call it an "anomaly" (ya right).

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The saddest part is how someone like BD--who, if one is not willing to describe him as brilliant, is certainly not stupid--either doesn't see, or won't see, just how tendentious this horseshit is. Even the AIG site was not willing to make a claim that "the Ark" could have survived for 5000 years. The other site he links does not contain a single unambiguous statement about the "evidence" for the "anomaly," and has gems such as this: " . . . anomaly quite possibly could be man-made in origin, or formed by other geological formations that are created by natural events." That says exactly nothing. Jeebus Christ--just what kind of crap can this kid swallow, and still maintain his self-respect?

Apparently, the need to believe smothers any other mental faculty.

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...On November 18, 1997, The Washington Times reported that over the next few months the CIA will be releasing U-2 spy plane photographs of the Ararat Anomaly as part of a batch of hundreds of thousands of spy photographs taken on U-2 and SR-71 spy plane missions between the 1950s and mid-1970s.
CIA spokesman Tom Crispell was reported as confirming that the release of the U-2 photographs will contain pictures of the Ararat Anomaly. But other photos taken by KH-9 and KH-11 high-resolution spy satellites are not likely to be made public any time soon, intelligence sources said...

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All that tells me is that our government has shamelessly wasted tax payer money on a silly bible-thumper fantasy. Do you have any critical thinking skills? If so, why do you abandon them when the theme relates to your imaginary friend superstition?

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Setanta wrote:

Apparently, the need to believe smothers any other mental faculty.

I like that.

Or perhaps, belief is more rewarding (to some people) than understanding?

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Instead of poring over ever better digitially enhanced photos and coming to the conclusion that it could be man made or a natural geological feature, has no one thought about climbing up there to take a proper look-see?

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baddog1 wrote:

...On November 18, 1997, The Washington Times reported that over the next few months the CIA will be releasing U-2 spy plane photographs of the Ararat Anomaly as part of a batch of hundreds of thousands of spy photographs taken on U-2 and SR-71 spy plane missions between the 1950s and mid-1970s.
CIA spokesman Tom Crispell was reported as confirming that the release of the U-2 photographs will contain pictures of the Ararat Anomaly. But other photos taken by KH-9 and KH-11 high-resolution spy satellites are not likely to be made public any time soon, intelligence sources said...

It doesn't matter whether it was ten years ago or tomorrow, no matter what they snap a picture of, it's not going to be the ark. The CIA might as well be sending agents out to catch a picture of the tooth fairy. The flood story is a fable nothing more.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

Instead of poring over ever better digitially enhanced photos and coming to the conclusion that it could be man made or a natural geological feature, has no one thought about climbing up there to take a proper look-see?

They tried that. First they said they couldn't locate it, and then they said the weather was too bad, and then they speculated that a glacier might have covered it again, and then they claimed a lack of funding for their project (even though they had enough money to build a Creation Museum).

FM and Set are right, not only can't they find it because there's nothing there (obviously), but they don't even want to find it because the mythos they build around the "unknown" is more powerful than reality.

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Thanks Ros suspected that.

More frauds and tricks perpetrated upon the gullible. Its outrageous really. Children believe what adults tell them. But tell them (as a teacher) 2*2=5 and you'll be in court. Why are religious crazies allowed to pollute the innocent minds of children with their lies and deceptions? Child abuse. It gets me very mad.

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The other day upon the stair
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I truly wish he'd go away.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

Instead of poring over ever better digitially enhanced photos and coming to the conclusion that it could be man made or a natural geological feature, has no one thought about climbing up there to take a proper look-see?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/noahs_ark_010823-1.html

In the past, expeditions permitted to search the area for what some claim are the ruins of Noah's Ark, while failing to conclusively prove its existence, have succeeded in sustaining debate. The area itself is a geopolitical and religious hot spot, with Mount Ararat sitting in the far eastern frontier of Turkey, near the borders of Armenia, Georgia (formerly part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR) and Iran.
Even the late Apollo 15 moonwalker James Irwin was repeatedly drawn to Mount Ararat in hopes of finding Ark wreckage. Through his High Flight Foundation, a non-profit evangelical organization based in Colorado Springs, the former astronaut made six treks to Mount Ararat in an unsuccessful quest to find remains of the ark.
Irwin's last expedition in 1990 ran into trouble. Turkish police detained him following allegations that he engaged in spying while looking for the Ark. Since 1991, the mountain has been closed due to Turkish military operations against Kurdish rebels in the area. Today the exploration of 17,000-foot Mount Ararat and the search for Noah's Ark has moved to higher ground -- thanks to high-tech satellite flyovers.

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"Sustain debate?'

As in, "oh yeah, well you can't prove it ain't there."

So, essentially, you acknowledge that no one has found anything. We already knew that.

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