PikaPk
 
Reply Tue 4 Dec, 2007 07:48 pm
If you knew that Hanukkah has arrived, which I'm sure all of you do, than feel free to talk about the Torah, and the "Nature of G-d" right here. Just stamp & sign. Very Happy



PS - I finally spelled "Hanukkah" right! Yes! Laughing Embarrassed
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Dec, 2007 09:17 pm
a few different spellings are acceptable - Chanukah or Hanukkah or Hanukah.
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 05:06 am
Yep, that's the nature of using a Western alphabet to simulate Eastern pronunciations.

Re the Torah, er, what do you want to talk about? It's a rather large book.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 09:48 am
Since the word 'god' is merely a title and since there are many who are called 'God', why do you decline to spell it?

Is not the Hebrew tetragrammaton a designation for the name of God meaning 'he who causes to become'? I have never quite been able to understand the superstition surrounding the utterance of that name, Yahweh, or Jehovah. I would think that Israelites would proudly announce the name of their God as above all others.

Can you picture David approaching Goliath and answering his taunt with "You are coming to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I am coming to you with the name of G_d?" (1Samuel 17:45)

Perhaps we should revere 'the force.'
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PikaPk
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 02:17 pm
neologist wrote:
Since the word 'god' is merely a title and since there are many who are called 'God', why do you decline to spell it?

Is not the Hebrew tetragrammaton a designation for the name of God meaning 'he who causes to become'? I have never quite been able to understand the superstition surrounding the utterance of that name, Yahweh, or Jehovah. I would think that Israelites would proudly announce the name of their God as above all others.

Can you picture David approaching Goliath and answering his taunt with "You are coming to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I am coming to you with the name of G_d?" (1Samuel 17:45)

Perhaps we should revere 'the force.'


Well yeah, but I'm not even a Jew. I am actually Greek Orthodox, but I study the Torah. That's how I got my degree, actually. Shocked

-- Percy
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 09:11 pm
PikaPk wrote:
. . . I'm not even a Jew. I am actually Greek Orthodox, but I study the Torah. That's how I got my degree, actually. Shocked

-- Percy
OK, I'm interested.

Do you have any thoughts on the unutterable name?
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PikaPk
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 09:31 pm
neologist wrote:
PikaPk wrote:
. . . I'm not even a Jew. I am actually Greek Orthodox, but I study the Torah. That's how I got my degree, actually. Shocked

-- Percy
OK, I'm interested.

Do you have any thoughts on the unutterable name?


dunno
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 10:55 pm
What about "Elohim?"

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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 11:01 pm
Elohim is a generic word used to represent the true God at times, but also false Gods, such as at 1Samuel 5:7b (Dagon); 1Kings 11:5 ("goddess" Ashtoreth); Daniel 1:2 (Marduk).
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 11:16 pm
Interesting.

Thanks
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Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 11:33 pm
It is said to be un-utterable because one of the Ten Commandments says though shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain. That is the explanation. so synonyms are used ...like King of Kings..etc.
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PikaPk
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 07:19 am
So we're told...Shocked
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 07:59 am
There is an interesting discussion of this and other naming conventions on wikipedia.

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The words God and Lord (Adonai) are often written by many Jews as G-d and L-rd as a way of avoiding writing a name of God, as to avoid the risk of the sin of erasing or defacing the name. Any Hebrew name of God is forbidden to be erased. In Deuteronomy 12:3-4, the Torah exhorts one to destroy idolatry, and from here it is understood not to erase the name of God. However, since this is in English, it is often considered unnecessary since only the Hebrew name is considered God's actual name, but since God is God's name in English, it is often done out of a sign of respect and just an extra precaution. There is a dispute to the degree of holiness that the word "God" is. The common rabbinic opinion on whether this applies only to Hebrew names of God?-or to the English word "God" as well?-is that "God" written in any language other than Hebrew has no holiness and can be erased. So while considered unnecessary, it is still often written with a hyphen as to give the Name proper respect. It is considered necessary by some, a minhag (custom) by most, and not done at all by others. Most Orthodox Jews and many Jews in general will write G-d in this manner. The Orthodox Jewish information website, Aish.com, uses God instead of G-d. They cite the reason that many users coming to the Aish HaTorah website are unfamilar with Judaism and would be initially unfamilar with the spelling G-d, so since it is not required that G-d is written, only preferred, they do not do it. According to their website, spelling it G-d is not according to halacha (Jewish law), so according to "leading Torah scholars", non-Hebrew names can be erased.[3] Other Jewish websites, such as Chabad.org, spell it G-d, and this is the version commonly found on most Jewish publications. Wiki
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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 05:32 pm
It's sort of like having an unlisted number, in a way! If anyone needs one, it's the Big Guy! Especially around the time Dubyah tries to reach him for his daily chat.
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nicknacker
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2008 10:21 am
Well its January now Cool
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