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Could You Continue to Live There?

 
 
eoe
 
Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 07:58 am
I just read a most disturbing story in the NYTimes about a 13 year old girl who committed suicide behind what she thought was the nasty breakup of an internet love affair between her and a boy. It turns out that the boy never existed and was made-up by her 47 year old neighbor in retaliation for snubbing the neighbors' daughter.

The families live on the same street, just four houses apart. And they continue to live there.

The woman has not been charged because technically, what she did, a form of internet harrassment, is not illegal. And the 47 year old says that she doesn't feel too guilty because the 13 year old had issues already and spoke of suicide in the past. She knew that the child was on medication.

I know that until you're in a particular situation, there's not telling what one might do but, could you continue to live just four houses away? Would you feel the need to retaliate and if so, how? In other words, how would you find peace under such circumstances?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:08 am
Are you asking if the girl's parents should retaliate?
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:10 am
Would you?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:12 am
You're damned right I would. I would probably kill everything in a two block radius if they were responsible for my daughter's death.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:15 am
I have heard this story before and have been in a heated discussion about it on another thread.

What it comes down to is how can an adult, terrorize a child and get away with it ?
It doesn't matter that she pretended to BE someone , and created a false internet persona.
She deliberately set up a person to cause pain, harm and anguish.

Though , any punishment she will receive will be seen as "pay back" for a childs decision to commit suicide. And that wont do. There is no punishment for that.
But I think she should be punished for deliberately hurting a CHILD.

You know that she did that so that she could learn what that little girl was saying about her own daughter??
At 46?47? no adult should be behaving like that.

But, I am getting on a rant. And your question was if, I as the parent , could live close to her and my answer is no.

I could not retaliate because I would be charged for a crime, but she wouldn't be.
I may hire someone to do so though.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:20 am
Hire me, shewolf. I'll handle this business.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:25 am
fiddy cent
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:31 am
Deal
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:35 am
I just can't imagine remaining in the house, only four doors down, and not losing my ******* mind. And then...
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 08:53 am
You are answering your own questions, eoe. You could not live in that neighborhood and you would be incapable of extracting revenge so you would have to move and let the passage of time heal the wounds.

We all handle things differently. I would stick with my original plan and kill the bitch.
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 09:02 am
Well, once I lose my ******* mind, there's no telling what might happen four doors down.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 09:12 am
I've always been under the impression that you would be capable of creating hell for someone if you so desired, eoe.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 09:19 am
I read Leonard Pitt's editorial about this the other day and was stunned speechless.

The story hit really close to home for me because I am the same age as the parents in this story and because I spent an afternoon not long ago listening to Mo sob and sob after being snubbed by a couple of neighborhood kids.

It broke my heart and I fantasized a tacky holiday display (kept secret from Mo, of course, who loves tacky and would be disappointed if I didn't go through with it).

My response was to try to explain to Mo that sometimes kids are crazy and they hurt each other's feelings and yadda yadda yadda.

Sooo.....

In answer to your question I find myself torn. On one hand I would want to be far far away from those idiots who drove my kid to suicide and on the other I would want to torment them with my despair by providing a constant reminder of thier idiocy.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 09:22 am
Sounds like somebody taking a correspondence course from Hannibal Lecter...
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 09:30 am
Here's the Leonard Pitts editorial:

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Have you heard about the practical joke that was played on a girl in Dardenne Prairie, near St. Louis? You're going to slap your knee at this one. You're going to bust a gut.

See, this girl -- Megan Meier was her name -- was 13. You remember 13, that gawky, uncertain age when you're growing into a new body, hormones firing off like howitzers. They say Megan was a heavyset child, emotionally vulnerable as only an adolescent girl can be. They say she had ADD and struggled with depression.

Are you laughing yet?

It seems Megan had this friend, a girl who lived a few doors down. Through seventh grade, they had gone round and round: best friends one day, feuding the next, the way kids do. Finally, Megan broke off the friendship for good. She was done with the other girl. But the girl was not done with her.

This all happened last year, by the way, but we are indebted to reporter Steve Pokin of the Suburban Journals newspaper for bringing it to our attention just days ago. Since then, the story has made national headlines. Because everybody loves a good joke.

So anyway, sometime after Megan and the other girl ended their relationship, this guy named Josh Evans shows up on Megan's MySpace page saying he wants to be added as a friend. And this Josh, he's like a gift from the god of cute boys. He's new in town, home schooled, fatherless, a musician, a major hottie. And he wants to be friends. He thinks Megan is pretty. Chunky, socially awkward Megan.

She describes herself to him with an acrostic. M, for modern. E, for enthusiastic. G, for goofy. A, for alluring. N, for neglected.

For a time, everything was good. Oh, it was strange that Josh never gave her a phone number and never asked for hers, but Megan overlooked that. Then Josh sent that strange message: ''I don't know if I want to be friends with you anymore because I've heard that you are not very nice to your friends.'' Megan was shocked. Where was this coming from?

It was a Sunday night. As it turned out, the last Sunday of Megan's life. Are you laughing yet?

The next day after school, Megan asked her mother -- Tina Meier restricted Megan's online access -- to log on the computer so Megan could check for new messages. What she found horrified her. Josh was still sending mean notes. And he had apparently been sharing her messages with others. Now the online community was abuzz with invective. Megan was fat. Megan was a slut.

Megan was destroyed. Especially after one last hateful message from Josh. You're a bad person, he said. Everybody hates you. The world would be better without you.

He got his wish just hours later. Megan Meier hanged herself that night.

Weeks later, her family got the punch line. There never was a Josh. He was a fiction, created by the parents, Curt and Lori Drew, of the girl who had once been Megan's friend. By . . . The . . . Parents.

People have threatened and harassed the Drews, and there are fears for their safety. No fears of prosecution, though; what they did broke no laws. But me, I don't want to hurt or jail them. I just want them to know how funny that joke was. How hee-fricking-larious.

No one wants acceptance quite as desperately as an adolescent girl who has never been the most popular, never been the prettiest. What brilliance, what comic genius, to take that vulnerability and use it against her.

So no, I don't want these folks hurt. I want them healthy. I want them long-lived. And I want them to be reminded, every day of their long, healthy lives, what a great joke they pulled.

They really paid Megan back. They really got her good.

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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 09:31 am
Re: Could You Continue to Live There?
eoe wrote:
I just read a most disturbing story in the NYTimes about a 13 year old girl who committed suicide behind what she thought was the nasty breakup of an internet love affair between her and a boy. It turns out that the boy never existed and was made-up by her 47 year old neighbor in retaliation for snubbing the neighbors' daughter.

The families live on the same street, just four houses apart. And they continue to live there.

The woman has not been charged because technically, what she did, a form of internet harrassment, is not illegal. And the 47 year old says that she doesn't feel too guilty because the 13 year old had issues already and spoke of suicide in the past. She knew that the child was on medication.

I know that until you're in a particular situation, there's not telling what one might do but, could you continue to live just four houses away? Would you feel the need to retaliate and if so, how? In other words, how would you find peace under such circumstances?


That mother has just as many problems as the child who committed suicide, so there would be little point in retaliation. It'd be like kicking the wounded.

Best to just deal with your own grief and move forward.

Yes, I could continue to live there.

It's a sad situation all 'round. I hope that woman's daughter doesn't go into cheerleading or figure skating!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 11:32 am
Quote:
What it comes down to is how can an adult, terrorize a child and get away with it ?
It doesn't matter that she pretended to BE someone , and created a false internet persona.
She deliberately set up a person to cause pain, harm and anguish.


shewolfnm- Problem is, although what the adult did is morally abominable, it is not illegal. Technolology has not caught up with real life scenarios.

I remember a story many years ago about a bunch of teenagers who set about harassing an elderly woman. They sent her things that she hadn't ordered in the mail, and would call her and hang up at all hours of the night. Eventually she had a heart attack. I don't remember if the kids were charged though.

If I were the parents of that child, I would want to move as far away from that miserable s.o.b whose behavior might not have been the sole cause of the daughter's suicide, but might have exacerbated some underlying psychological problems.

The other possibility is for the parents to contact a lawyer, and see if the person who committed these cruel acts can be sued in civil court. I would suspect that the parents of the dead girl would not want to put themselves through that trauma, though!
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 11:43 am
I agree, Phoenix, that sometimes people just need to say "this ends here". But I bet there will be a wrongful death lawsuit. I looked up the definition of wrongful death and found:

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The death must have been caused, in whole or in part, by the defendant's conduct, even though there was no direct intention to kill the victim. The defendant must have been deemed negligent or strictly liable for the victim's death. Also the deceased has dependent party such as family members who have suffered from emotional and monetary damages as a result of the death.


That sounds very, very close to what happened here.

Maybe she could have the neighbors declared "unfit" to parent and they would lose their own kids.....
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 11:46 am
I can't imagine leaving near this bone head. A 47 year old adult has the gall to say she doesn't feel guilty because the girl had issues and was on medication. Wouldn't you think a grown adult would have enough sense not to try to get back at a young teenager, much less one that has issues? Sounds like the 47 year old has issues. I'd have to move or I might kill her (even if it wasn't my kid).

I love thisÂ…"People have threatened and harassed the Drews, and there are fears for their safety." Just like these parents harassed a poor little 13 year old - I have no sympathy for them and can only say they get what they deserve.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 12:14 pm
That's nonsense--if it were wrong for this woman to have harassed the child who subsequently committed suicide, then it is wrong for anyone to harass them.
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