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Public Expresses Mixed Views of Islam, Mormonism

 
 
Reply Sat 29 Sep, 2007 09:17 am
Public Expresses Mixed Views of Islam, Mormonism
Benedict XVI Viewed Favorably But Faulted on Religious Outreach
September 25, 2007

The Muslim and Mormon religions have gained increasing national visibility in recent years. Yet most Americans say they know little or nothing about either religion's practices, and large majorities say that their own religion is very different from Islam and the Mormon religion.


A new national survey reveals some notable similarities, as well as major differences, in the ways that Americans view these faiths and their followers. Public impressions of both religions are hazy - 58% say they know little or nothing about Islam's practices, while 51% have little or no awareness of the precepts and practices of Mormonism. The number of people who say they know little or nothing about Islam has changed very little since 2001.

Most Americans believe that their own religion has little in common with either Islam or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Fully 70% say that their religion is very different from Islam, while 62% say this about the Mormon religion. The proportion who say that Islam has little or nothing in common with their own religion has increased substantially since 2005 (from 59% to 70%).

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, conducted Aug. 1-18 among 3,002 adults, finds that overall evaluations of Mormons and Muslim Americans are on balance positive: 53% say they have a favorable opinion of Mormons, while an identical percentage views Muslim Americans favorably. As in past surveys, more people have a positive impression of "Muslim Americans" (53%) than of "Muslims" (43%).

Despite these similarities, there also are clear differences in public attitudes about Islam and Mormonism. These are reflected in the single-word descriptions people use in summarizing their impressions of each religion. Twice as many people use negative words as positive words to describe their impressions of the Muslim religion (30% vs. 15%). The most frequently used negative word to describe Islam is "fanatic," with "radical" and "terror" often mentioned as well. Among the positive terms, "devout" or some variant is the most frequently cited.


The words that people use to describe the Mormon religion are, on balance, more positive. Nearly a quarter (23%) gives a positive word to describe their impression of the Mormon religion while 27% use a negative term. Although the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints banned polygamy almost a century ago, many Americans still associate the church with this practice. The most commonly used negative words to describe Mormonism are "polygamy," "bigamy" or some other reference to plural marriage. Among positive words used to describe the Mormon religion, "family" - or some variant of the term - is the most frequent response.

Public views of other religious groups have changed little over the past few years. About three-quarters of those polled have a favorable opinion of Jews and Catholics (76% each), while substantially fewer are favorable toward evangelical Christians (60%). Atheists are viewed far more negatively, with just 35% holding a positive view and 53% saying they have an unfavorable opinion.


The survey also finds that, two years after Pope Benedict XVI was installed as spiritual leader of the world's Catholics, the pontiff is viewed favorably by nearly three-quarters (73%) of those familiar enough to offer an opinion. However, significantly fewer people say they have a favorable opinion of the pontiff than expressed positive opinions of Pope Benedict's predecessor, Pope John Paul II, during his more than two decades as pope (86% in 1996).

Moreover, nearly half (46%) of those who have heard at least a little about Pope Benedict XVI say he is doing only a fair or poor job at promoting good relations with other major religions; just 38% say the pope is doing an excellent or good job in this regard. Catholics themselves are divided ideologically over the pope's performance in fostering ties with other religions: 63% of self-identified conservative Catholics say the pope has done well in promoting good interfaith relations, but just 50% of moderate Catholics and 45% of liberal Catholics agree.

People who have heard at least a little about Pope Benedict are in general agreement about the pope's own ideological leanings: 56% say he is either very conservative (20%) or conservative (36%); 17% say the pope is a moderate, while just 5% view him as a liberal. And among Catholics, fully 68% say Pope Benedict is a conservative.

Read the full report at people-press.org

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http://pewresearch.org/pubs/602/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-islam-mormonism
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mrcolj
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 09:18 am
I would love to see the opposite question asked: What percentage of Muslims think their religion is similar to most Americans'; and what percentage of Mormons think their religion is similar to most Americans'. I think that may be a better indicator of how distinct these religions are or are not. I say that because I think Mormonism is pretty normal when you take away all the exagerations and slander they face at the hands of some over-zealous and capitalistic christian sects. My money would say 80% of Muslims would say their religion is "somewhat similar" to the American zeitgeist and 90% of Mormons would say "very similar."
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 10:17 am
I have yet to hear of any Mormon Suicide Bombers. Don't expect I ever will.

As for the Pope becoming a force for world peace. . . . More about that at another time.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Oct, 2007 11:56 am
again, neo and i agree on something for different reasons. "pax romana" is hardly the kind of peace this world needs.

mormonism is exactly the kind of religion most (?!) american christians seem to want- a throwback to the 1950s, moderate racism, sexism as if it's normal, men in short hair, women in long hair, no earrings on anyone but women, no tattoos, dress shirts and ties, family gatherings, and bowing to the leader of the state on any matter that isn't spiritual- that area is reserved for the church. no masturbation, no sex before marriage, no gays, boy scouts, (no gays again!) standing before the flag, not watching too much television, reading the bible...

and the only problem is that god is an alien from another planet and you can't drink coffee, beer, or smoke cigarettes. plus the book of mormon (yeah, right!)

that's kind of where mormonism falls just short of pure americana. but then the southern baptists might not care, i'm pretty sure they're from another planet also.
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 08:03 am
The current media obsession with Mormonism is a pre-emptive strike to try to derail the political momentum of Mitt Romney.

Liberals are scared to death of a Republican who governed a 'blue' state.

Throwing Mormonism and Islam together in the same article is an attempt to try to capitalize on fear of terrorism, and suggest that Mormons might be the Christian counterpart to the Wahabi.

What I'd like to see is how many Muslims would vote for a Democratic president instead of a Republican one.

Given Osama's failed attempt to sway the last Presidential election with his October surprise video, it would be very interesting to see the results.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 11:35 pm
first of all, the more i think about mormons having political power, the more it scares me.

second, some of the most frightening figures we've had in office in the past few terms have been mormon.

third, islam and mormonism are mostly unknowns to the average person, and perhaps that fear is easy to cash in on. in this case, i hope so. i don't have a lot of misconceptions about mormons as a religion or a culture, and what i do know is not the sort of thing that would make a good leader in mitt romney. anyone that can derail his campaign by honest means is doing 300 million people a favor, not counting the rest of the world (as usual.)

what about his campaign, however? well, i don't like it. i'm tired of people like him with campaigns like his raping the constitution. romney is not going to fix it. he's got nothing going for him, unless your values are very different than mine, and you intend to force them on everyone regardless of how unconstitutional they are. i would hope that the consitution itself would prevent the past 8 years, or any more like them, but it only works when you don't ignore it.

i'm confident he will. that should be reason enough to argue against his election, regardless of your party.

but whether it derails him or helps him, people should learn more about mormons. it doesn't pay to have an entire state in the grips of a religion that no one knows anything about.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 12:03 am
The Mormons "invaded" Australia about thirty years ago, but the religion never really took hold here.

As for Islam, this article was worth the long read.

The Speech:

As an American woman of Muslim Arab origin, I cherish the freedoms America has given me; a right all too scarce in the Middle East where speaking for human rights, women's rights, democracy and even peace with Israel, is a taboo with serious consequences.

In America, I learned that no ideology or religion is beyond questioning. Ideologies that don't answer the hard questions will face intellectual bankruptcy. I would like to stress that this is not a discussion about the good and peace loving Muslims, but about an ideology of violence and hatred that has brought oppression, unrest, violence and terror to the Middle East and has now spread to the rest of the world. Radicals have made the slightest criticism, critical thinking and free inquiry an insult to Islam. Arab feminists, reformers and intellectuals are intimidated, threatened or killed. Even the late Egyptian novelist Naguib Mahfouz, winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, was stabbed in Cairo in 1994 by a radical Muslim who claimed he insulted Islam. That is why we all must welcome an open discussion. The best weapon in the war on terror and Islamo-Fascism is the truth.

I'd like to start with my background. I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt and the Gaza Strip; a time when President Nasser was committed to unify the Arab world and destroy Israel. In the 50's, my father headed the Egyptian military intelligence in Gaza and started the Fedayeen, which means ?'armed resistance and self sacrifice'. They made cross-border attacks into Israel and caused death, damage and destruction. There were assassination attempts on my father in response to the terror.

One night Israel sent commandos to our heavily guarded home, but my father was not home. All the Israeli soldiers found were us, women and children. The Israeli soldiers left us unharmed.

I attended Gaza elementary schools. It is there that we learned hatred vengeance and retaliation; peace was never an option; but a sign of defeat and weakness. Jews were portrayed as less than human; I was told ?'don't take candy or fruit from a stranger, it could be a Jew trying to poison you'. They filled our hears with fear of Jews; that made hatred come easy and terrorism acceptable, even honorable.

After two years of intense Fedayeen operations, my father was killed in the first targeted assassination in Gaza in 1956. I was 8 years old. In Nasser's famous speech to nationalize the Suez Canal, he hailed my father as a national hero, a Shahid. President Nasser vowed that all of Egypt would take revenge and made no mention of the heavy toll of death and destruction brought upon Israel by the Fedayeen. My siblings and I were asked by top government officials "which one of you will avenge your father's blood by killing Jews." I felt very uncomfortable with a question. We were speechless.

After my father's death, my mother had to face life alone with five children in a culture that gave respect only to families headed by a man. In the 50's few women drove cars and she was criticized and called names for buying a car to take us to school. Arab women are expected to sacrifice their family by giving up their husbands and sons to martyrdom, but are given little respect to live their life with freedom and dignity.

I lived for 30 years in oppressive dictatorships and police states. I witnessed honor killing of girls (our maid), oppression of women and female genital mutilation. We regularly heard the cursing of non-Muslims from the pulpits of mosques. As a young woman, I visited a Christian friend in Cairo during the Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers. We heard "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them." We also heard the worshipers respond "Amen". I heard ?'cursing prayers' all my life from the pulpits of mosques -- and believe it or not if you grow up with cursing prayers, it can feel and sound normal. My Christian friend looked scared, and I was ashamed. That was when I first realized that something was very wrong in the way my religion was taught and practiced.

I moved to the US in 1978. In my first visit to a mosque in America, we were told not to assimilate in America and that Islam is here to become the dominant religion. I was told to cover up in Islamic clothes; but how can I do that when I have never worn Islamic clothes in Egypt? Women in Egypt until the 1980's did not wear Islamic clothes.

In August 2001, I visited my birthplace, Cairo, Egypt. I was stunned to see how radical Islam had taken over. The level of anger and hate speech was alarming. I saw extreme poverty, pollution, hazardous material and garbage along the Nile. There was high unemployment, inflation and widespread corruption. But when I read Arab media, all I saw was Israel and America bashing. Citizens were unaware of Muslim against Muslim atrocities in Iraq, Algeria, Sudan etc. As a matter of fact, the term "Islamo-fascism" was coined by Algerian Muslims and ex-Muslims to describe the Islamic fanatics who slaughtered 150,000 fellow Algerian Muslims in the 1990s. Arab media have failed human rights of the ordinary Arab citiznes. They have no understanding of their role in defending the interest of the public; this mentality was created from an Islamo-Fascist environment that rejects change.Western media was also under-reporting the threat.

I was happy to return to the US on the evening of Sept. 10th. 2001. The next morning I saw the second airplane hit the twin towers, I knew ?'Jihad has come to America.' Muhammad Attah was from Cairo, the same city I came from.

I called several friends in Cairo, they were all in denial and said ?'How dare you say that Arabs did this? Don't you know this is a Jewish conspiracy?'

These were not radicals, but ordinary Egyptians who otherwise are very nice people. I hung up the phone and felt alone and disconnected from my culture of origin. Once again, my people are accusing the Jewish people of something we know very well, we Arabs have done ourselves. In any religion this is considered a sin, but in the eyes of radial Islam, Jews do not deserve the truth, justice or mercy. The Jews that we describe in our mosques, Arab textbooks and media don't exist. We, Arabs are fighting an imaginary Jew of our own creation. Israel is not perfect; no society is; but the way the Jews and minorities are treated by my people is tragic and a disgrace.

The global war we are fighting against Islamo-fascism and jihad is not just about bombs and hijacked planes; It's also about tyranny and oppression of women. Oppression of women and support of terror are two facets of the same fundamentalist mentality. Islamic law - Sharia - that terrorists are fighting to impose upon the world, would create a global state of gender apartheid.

Under criminal Sharia, punishment could be flogging, stoning, beheading and amputation of limbs. Cruel and unusual punishment by Western and humane standards. Leaving Islam is punishable by death. If the State fails to kill an apostate, his death is guaranteed at the hands of a street mob. That makes Islam more than a religion; it is a one party state; and also an elaborate legal system, called Sharia, that can put you to death if you leave Islam. Sharia must guarantee there is no defection from the Berlin Wall of the Muslim State. Amazingly, the majority of Muslim countries don't practice criminal Sharia because they cannot stomach it.

I have lived under Family Sharia for 30 years of my life. This is practiced in all Muslim countries; it allows only men the right to an easy divorce, having up to 4 wives, allows wife beating, half the inheritance of a man to a woman and her testimony in court is only half valid. She is respected only when she shields her body, face and even her identity. As many as seventy-five percent of women in Pakistani prison are behind bars for the crime of having been raped. Sharia codified into permanent Law a 7th century Arabian Peninsula tribal culture for every Muslim in any culture for ever.

Under Sharia, the Muslim Khalifa or Amir, meaning leader, is exempt from being punished under Sharia. Islamic Sharia law is a dictator's dream handed to him by Allah.

Polygamy has a devastating effect on family dynamics, husband/wife relationship and women relationships. Many Moslem men only have one wife, but the damage to wife/husband relationship has already been done in the Muslim marriage contract itself; where a man does not pledge loyalty to his wife and the wife cannot expect his loyalty. The marriage contract has 3 more spaces to be filled out by other women if the man wishes. That is why a good Muslim woman must accept her destiny under Sharia Law for one simple reason, challenging Allah's Law is like challenging Allah himself.

In the latest Bin Laden tape, the terror guru was calling on Muslims in the West to increase their numbers through converting as many Americans to Islam and through immigration in order to accomplish, what he called, jihad from within. That is why Islamists in the West are pushing the envelope to see how far the West can take it. Some demand Sharia Law and even claim that Sharia is comparable with democracy.

In a Muslim parade in New York this September, right before the 6th anniversary of 9/11, Muslims carried signs saying "Muslims against Democracy and Western Values", "the Holocaust is a hoax" and "Ban the Talmud". They were selling books on jihad with an AK 47s on the cover. This comes from people who are complaining of Islamo-phobia. Do they think this will bring them sympathy and understanding?

A Muslim woman in Florida insists on covering her face for a driver's license, cab drivers in Minnesota refuse to take passengers carrying wine from the duty-free shop, the 6 flying Imams who scared everyone on the airplane and are now suing. And lately demands for special faucets at the level of the feet in American schools for Muslim kids to Wada "wash" before praying.

I have lived in the Middle East for 30 years and have never seen special faucets for Wada in schools or universities, except in mosques. This only exists in Saudi Arabia. The deception is phenomenal. Islamists are pushing Wahabi Saudi values in America; values that I have never even seen in Egypt.

I have not come to America to become a Wahabi Saudi.

On Arab TV, I once saw a Muslim preacher telling little children that lying is not allowed except under three conditions 1- Lying to non-Muslims when it is in the best interest of Islam. 2- Lying to Muslims if it will end conflict between them. And 3rd: Lying to one's wife to improve the relationship.

Lying thus has become an obligation in international relationships, Muslim relationships and family relationships. Any wonder why Muslims were silent after 9/11? Those who expose the lying game are considered traitors. By allowing lying, Muslims have created a culture unable to distinguish between lies from truth; truth has become a convoluted game of saving face for the best interest of Islam.

The Times of London reported that Muslim students in Britain are being taught to despise non-Muslims as ?'filth'. The Arabic word for this is ?'Nagas.' That is why many Arabs believe that the existence of non-Muslims on Muslim land is a desecration or occupation.

US soldiers, at the request of Saudi Arabia, sacrificed their lives to protect it from Saddam. Under normal conditions that could have been met with appreciation, but instead, the Arab street reaction was "how dare the infidels desecrate Muslim land." That is why America's defense of the Muslims against the Serbs, the Afghani Muslims against the Soviet Union, feeding the Somali Muslims starved by their own leadership, all did not get the US any credit in the Muslim world; just the opposite, the more America tries to help stabilize the region, the more it is despised. Arab-Muslims do not want to be rescued by infidels. This is a proud culture that is easily shamed by feelings of dependency on the non-Muslims. This is the psychology of the Arab Street.

That is how the West is perceived. In the Judeo Christian culture they say: "we are all sinners" -- but in the Muslim culture "they are all sinners; but we are Muslims". Non-Muslim are "Cafir", non-Muslims are not innocent; they are viewed as sinners who need Islam and Islamists have given themselves the role of Allah to force Islam on the world, against their will, through the principle of Jihad.

Moslem clergy are constantly looking for the ideal Muslim State and cannot find it. They have failed miserably in stabilizing their society. Instead of being a source of comfort, stability and wisdom, they have become a source of hate, rage and subversion. To them, the solution is always an intifada, uprising, a coup d'etat, an assassination or violence on the streets. They have no respect for the legitimacy of any government and no government is Muslim enough for them; not even Saudi Arabia.

In this dynamic only tyrannical governments can survive. Leaders who want peace, modernity and reforms are assassinated, like Sadat. Every Muslim country is suffering from underground radical Muslim groups who are trying to overturn the government and the constitution, in their pursuit for the perfect Muslim state. That is why the Muslim world is in a constant turmoil, stagnation and conflict. Islamo-fascism is the end result.

America is very concerned since all of this is spilling to the rest of the world. In 1998 the same attitude was expressed by a Muslim leader who asked Muslims in America not to assimilate and said we are here to make the Koran the law of the land in America. What Arab leaders are suffering from is now moving to America and if that will continue our freedoms will erode. Islamo-fascist unrest, turmoil, destructive mentality and hatred of order and the rule of law is now here.

Arab governments have access to build mosques in the West, but give Americans no access to build churches or synagogues in Muslim countries. They finance Muslim and Middle East studies departments on American Universities -- but there is not one University in any of the 52 Muslim countries that have a Christian or Judaism Studies Department. They freely preach Islam all around the world, but imprison and kill Christian missionaries.

If this trend continues Bin Laden's dreams of internal jihad within America will come true. If that happens America will never be the same again. We could see a large Muslim population congregate in London, Paris or Detroit demanding Sharia or else. If their demands are denied then they will demand a separatist movement; Chechnya can happen in the West. Islamic separatist movements are alive and well in Chechnya, the Philippines and other parts of the world. It caused India to split Pakistan away and give it to Muslims, but Islamic terrorism inside India has not stopped.

And now Islamists have caught the West in a time of political correctness and multiculturalism. By tolerating hatred and violence, the West is not doing Muslims or Islam a favor. Tolerating intolerance is not a sign of compassion; it is gross negligence.

To conclude: Religion, any religion, must adapt to the universal concept of Human Rights, freedom of choice of one's religion, equal rights of women and minorities. As Arab Americans what are we going to do about it? Are we going to remain silent and defensive? We owe America honest answers. We need to inspire true reform in our culture of origin. There are 7 women in Iran right now awaiting death by stoning -- are we going to stand by them or are we going to fail them? Muslim converts out of Islam are in hiding; are we going to allow them to get killed under the name of Islam? Are we going to see the Egyptian Christian population continue to suffer discrimination?

If Islam is a religion of peace then we must demand better from our religious leaders. We've had it with the self-anointed intolerant Ayatollahs, Mullahs and Sheikhs who act like Allah and silence speech by issuing Fatwas of death. I ask the support of the American Left. You should be our natural allies because we are the reformers and defenders of freedoms in the Middle East.

Western feminists must embrace a single standard for both the West and Muslim society. Feminists and everyone else concerned with human freedom must support Muslim dissidents, both male and female, who are risking their lives in a battle for women's rights under Islam. I ask the support of the American left. You should be our natural allies because we are the reformers and defenders of freedoms in the Middle East.

Thank You.

Noni Darwish
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 12:18 am
i would like to see the muslims/ex muslims against islamic fascism working together with the jews that are against the israeli occupation.

surely these are two groups that can agree on something. i think they're the only two that can give us any hope.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 12:36 am
I think we need to draw a line between calling people Jews, and Israelis.

There are pockets of Jewish people all over the world, but very few of them come from Israel.

Likewise with Muslims. The extremists are in the news because they are extremists, rather than because their religion is Islam.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 01:00 am
maybe we do have to draw that line, but i don't think it would change anything i said. there are jews in israel that don't support israeli government policy, and those that do, and those outside israel that do, and those that don't.

likewise, there are non-extremist islamics that hate islamic extremists. but everyone should already know that, even if for whatever ridiculous reason, they don't.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 01:14 am
tinygiraffe wrote:
maybe we do have to draw that line, but i don't think it would change anything i said. there are jews in israel that don't support israeli government policy, and those that do, and those outside israel that do, and those that don't.

likewise, there are non-extremist islamics that hate islamic extremists. but everyone should already know that, even if for whatever ridiculous reason, they don't.


Agreed on the former, but on the latter, those who speak out against the extremists risk death, the death of their families, or torture.

Now ask yourself how many Americans would like to shout down their current administration, but fear to do so because of the Patriot Act, illegal wire-tapping, an indefinite trip to Gitmo, etc?
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 01:22 am
i'm afraid to ask, because i'm not sure how many people care.

at the moment i'm too distracted to follow you. please don't take it personally, i was/am interested in your question.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 01:36 am
I'm from Australia, and we are currently in the process of a federal election campaign. Our Prime Minister took it upon himself, despite having no mandate from the electorate, to send our troops (however few they are in number) to join the coalition against terror.

Hopefully our people will not hesitate to dump him in the forthcoming election.

As for my question, hopefully some more Americans might take it on?
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