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moving to AU from US...things to consider?

 
 
acwangph
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 03:32 pm
hi statis,

Congrats on your decision.

I am also in Altanta GA currently on H1B. Right now, I have the choice to move to Sydney Australia. My wife and I have not decided yet, but we are leaning towards the suburbs in Atlanta. I've been to Sydney and Melbourne before. I like both cities but I find that it quite expensive over there especially with the income, sales tax and the housing market.

I was hoping we can chat or email on what factors help you made your decision. I am frustrated by the US visa process but think that the job market is better in US than in AUS especially in the IT industry.

Please feel free to email me at ac.wang.ph (at) gmail.com

Thanks,
AC
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margo
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 09:26 pm
hingehead wrote:


Unless of course you find others of your ilk (and there will be some). But in mixed company you can never assume everyone will have the same (or any) faith. Best to keep silent and have people suspect you are a dolt than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

It's probably the same in the US - it's just we have a stereotype, like I saw a bit of a movie the other night when a juror recited the pledge of allegiance and the entire courtroom stood and joined in - if an equivalent happened in Australia, say someone broke into the national anthem on a public bus,
10% would join in
35% would be annoyed
20% would laugh
1 would break into khe sanh
some kiwis would do the haka
a couple poms would break into 'There's only one David Gower'
and the rest would pretend they were deaf and nothing was happening.

Assuming of course that anyone noticed over their mp3 players....


Bloody funny, hinge! Laughing

Stasis

If you are thinking of moving to Adelaide, or staying as an A2K member, or both, remember or be aware of the A2K warning:

DON'T PROVOKE THE BUNNY!

Sooner or later you'll become aware of it's mening - and better to be safe than sorry!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2007 09:57 pm
True story Margo:

As an 18 year old uni student I was on a train travelling back home from a hard day at UNSW and somewhere around Lidcombe I guy got on and started singing opera, in Italian, he was fantastic - not drunk but not necessarily having all his kangaroos in the top paddock - he could really sing (he would have been between 45 and 60).

He hadn't been going too long, maybe a minute and half when a guy shouts, in a nasal Australian drawl, 'Fucken shutup mate, this isn't Lebanon!'

I lost what little nationalism I had right then.
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stasis
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 12:02 pm
hi, and thanks again for the replies! Please keep the info coming!

dadpan, the link didn't work...?? No free beer is cool, though, I don't drink.

acwangph, I live 100 miles southeast of Atlanta...in Columbus. The suburbs/urban sprawl are exactly what we want to get away from. We are looking more for the rural area of SA, like this area used to be. In the last 7 years, this area has grown so rapidly that it takes twice as long to go the same distance, there are always waits at restaurants, and just generally overcrowded. From what I've found, the rates are higher for my particular skillset (Industrial Automation & Controls Technician). The housing is a bit more expensive, but this is the only negative I can find.

margo, bunny?

hingehead...I can identify with the lack of nationalism (here it's called patriotism). I am Native American (yes, an Indian). When this comes up in conversation most responses are "yes, but are you a real American?" or "How!"...or something just as ridiculous. There is no sense of unity here. Every race in this country calls itself ___-American rather than American. This division comes from and is propagated by politics.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 06:51 pm
If you stick around stasis you'll meet the bunny - don't panic, she's harmless if you don't annoy her. Adelaide seems like a good choice, there is an industrial base their and they have over the last couple of years been promoting it to other states as a lifestyle choice. There are rural areas not to far from town and lots of people speak fondly of the 'hills'. The Barossa Valley is close (sort of mediterranean climate with german influences - wineries, fruit orchards et al).

I'll let Dutchy (an SA oz A2K member) rabbit (sorry bunny) on about the delights of the SA Coast.

But the tap water isn't pleasant.

PS anyone he sees patriotism for what is is more than welcome here. I really hope it works out for you.
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margo
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 10:19 pm
Stasis

As hinge said, if you stick around you'll meet the bunny (correct name dlowan) She hops around Adelaide.

Whatever you do, Don't provoke the bunny! Twisted Evil
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travelnman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 01:16 am
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statis. im from WA, and to me this is the best that it gets, spent 10 years sailing around the world to try and find a better place than here - guess what, there isnt. But unfortunately there is a boom on here and prices food wise and housing wise and everything else wise has gone balistic. We have the greates weather, but sometimes it gets to hot, but never to cold. I felt america was cheaper all round last year when i was there and that the service industry people were far more polite than here, they actually spoke to you, and where polite to you, and culdnt do enough for you, that was in all shops and restaurants. we have a lot to learn from them here, but they wont. Chose wisely were you settle, its costly if you get it wrong. For bringing up children, Wa is the place, but someone else must be spreading the word about here, we are getting to many people over here now. The secret is out. Best of luck with your decision
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 05:11 am
stasis, sorr the link didnt work. never mind it was a joke survey anyway.

You might like to explore Hahndorf A pretty tourist town outside Adelaide in the Hills.

Here is the weather for SA
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/sa/
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stasis
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 09:49 am
hingehead, I'll keep in mind about the tap water (ala Mexico or worse?). I installed a filtration system on our house because of the high mineral deposits here made the water taste metallic. As far as the PS, I'm a realist, I see things for what they are.

travelnman, we looked at WA first, as this seems to be the 'migrant trend'. Because of this, we decided to look elsewhere, and no offense to the WA's. Beautiful country, and definitely a place to visit.

dadpad, sorry for the misspelling, and thanks for the link. Hahndorf looks like a nice place to visit.And the weather in SA is comparable to here, which is another reason we chose SA. Also, as stated before, we are leaning to a more rural area, something not overgrown with urban sprawl or overrun by tourists. We lived in Orlando for a while and hated the influx of tourist every few weeks and the sprawl. Great for the economy, deadly for average drivers trying to make it to work.

still have yet to see a bunny (myth?), but since she is from Adelaide, I'm interested in hearing from her (if she exists). Is that provocation enough?
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travelnman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 09:55 pm
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statis. good to hear that you have decided against WA, maybe a few more will decide against it as well. to many coming here and filling this lovely place up. to many from other countries that have different cultures and trying to impose there way of life onto us. Boy, if I did that in there countries, I would be locked up. Life isnt going to be easier here than it is in Georgia, we have all the problems america has, and i think its much more expensive here
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 04:27 am
stasis wrote:


still have yet to see a bunny (myth?), but since she is from Adelaide, I'm interested in hearing from her (if she exists). Is that provocation enough?



No Bunnies here.
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stasis
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 01:39 pm
hi, and thanks or dispelling the myth!

Seriously, can you offer insight into the daily living in SA, particularly the rural areas to the north of Maralinga? Curious about what daily living is like..shopping costs, housing, commuting, general attitude and the like. Also, what of the climate along there?

thanks again for all posters, and keep the info coming...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 03:32 pm
stasis wrote:
hi, and thanks or dispelling the myth!

Seriously, can you offer insight into the daily living in SA, particularly the rural areas to the north of Maralinga? Curious about what daily living is like..shopping costs, housing, commuting, general attitude and the like. Also, what of the climate along there?

thanks again for all posters, and keep the info coming...



Er...sorry...no......where is north of Maralinga? I am in Adelaide. It all pretty much seems to be Aboriginal land, too.


Maralinga was so "deserted" that it's where we let the bloody Brits test nuclear weapons in the fifties! (Deserted except for the indigenous folk who were displaced or irradiated if they were missed.) It has plutonium waste and everything! (Brits had to be sued to make them clean up, and then they didn't.)

North of that is Woomera, which used to be a rocket testing range, and is again showing the odd sign of life....



North of THAT is the Great Victoria Desert.


So...you want to live in the outback? What are you planning to do out there?
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margo
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 09:24 pm
Stasis

The middle of this country is pretty much empty! This is nothing like the US. We all live within about 100 miles of the coast - even dadpad!

If you can't find any info on north of Maralinga - it's because there ain't anythin' there!

And see - here comes da bunny!
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stasis
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 11:19 pm
didn't mean that far north...just the immediate rural area...like within a 15 mile radius. And didn't realise what type of place it was. Most maps show town names but not population density, so it's really hard to get a feel for what I'm looking at when viewing online. The map I was using shows a national park & two reserves to the south south/west of Maralinga, so it seemed ok. Found new maps (after dlowan's post, thanks) that show NO highways through there. Not interested in glowing in the dark,either.

What we are seeking is a town with a population between 35 to 150k, local to parks, local to natural attractions, and at the same time, kinda off the beaten path. Utopian outlook, maybe, but we are looking for a place to raise our children & spend the rest of our lives in small-town comfort.

Margo, is living on the coast insanely expensive like it is here?

...and what's with all the roadhouses on the maps?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 01:42 am
stasis wrote:
didn't mean that far north...just the immediate rural area...like within a 15 mile radius. And didn't realise what type of place it was. Most maps show town names but not population density, so it's really hard to get a feel for what I'm looking at when viewing online. The map I was using shows a national park & two reserves to the south south/west of Maralinga, so it seemed ok. Found new maps (after dlowan's post, thanks) that show NO highways through there. Not interested in glowing in the dark,either.

What we are seeking is a town with a population between 35 to 150k, local to parks, local to natural attractions, and at the same time, kinda off the beaten path. Utopian outlook, maybe, but we are looking for a place to raise our children & spend the rest of our lives in small-town comfort.

Margo, is living on the coast insanely expensive like it is here?

...and what's with all the roadhouses on the maps?







Er...I am really not great with rural!!!



Perhaps if you look up Mt Gambier, Kangaroo Island, Port Lincoln, the Riverland, the Barossa Valley and Southern Vales, that would be a good start?


Rougher towns would be Pt Augusta, Whyalla, Port Pirie.


The problem is that SA is kind of a city state........most of the people are in Adelaide. There isn't the kind of population to have big provincial cities...and some of the ones that there are are pretty rough, have employment problems and big social problems.


Also, the south east of Oz is in the middle of a truly terrible drought....the Riverland, for instance, which was nice, is probably about to have a bunch of people walk off the land. That won't be good for the area at all.


What kind of work do you do? Some rural areas are doing ok...many are not.


There's a bit of a mining boom way outback, but you are looking at pretty basic towns, or three weeks on, flying home for a couple of weeks, then flying back. It's big money, though.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 03:53 am
Small cities in Victoria you might be interested in.

Shepparton, Geelong, Ballarat, Mildura, Albury, Bonnie Doon.

Automotive and (other industries) in Geelong. Its the second largest city in Victoria.

Shepparton: Clean and progressive. The heart of the Victorian food bowl. Many fruit orchards and agricultural support industries.

I kinda get the impression that my idea of "rural" and yours may be a little different.
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margo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 09:15 pm
dadpad wrote:
I kinda get the impression that my idea of "rural" and yours may be a little different.


Yes - I suspect his rural is more like outer suburbs. We have a very urban (and ?urbane) population. The outer suburbs and rural areas are pretty barren, if you ask me (did anybody, ask me, that is?)

As da bunny said, the drought is making a number of the country areas non-viable.

Yes - living right on the coast is horribly expensive, but the further away from the coast, the lower the costs of housing, but then other living costs may be higher. (e.g. - hospitals, etc., may be a fair distance away)
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travelnman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 12:20 am
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Have you considered NZ for rural places, there are still a lot of country towns over there. A lot of Americans are imigrating out there, they can buy good houses on good size blocks ( Kiwis call them sections) and they still have lots of rural towns. I think in the south island last year they were offering a house and land for $5000 to atttract people to the country areas that are dying. And it sure is a pretty place
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dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2007 12:42 am
margo wrote:
dadpad wrote:
I kinda get the impression that my idea of "rural" and yours may be a little different.


The outer suburbs and rural areas are pretty barren, if you ask me (did anybody, ask me, that is?)


in a word NO! It doesn't look too barren outside my door thank you very much! and certainly preferable to the ratrace you call home.

travelnman wrote:
Have you considered NZ for rural places


<Slaps travlnman> Baaaaaad idea. He probably doesn't even own gumboots.
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