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Thomas Sowell Is My Hero

 
 
Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 02:03 am
Do any of you know the writings of Thomas Sowell? He's written some excellent books on important and current topics, and has a regular column. Read some of his columns here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/author/thomas_sowell/

He's an economist and prolific author who has written about economics, society, politics, and history. His writing is crystal clear and he supports everything he says. I never miss his columns and have read a few of his books... ordering more today as a matter of fact. See a list at amazon.com... just type in Thomas Sowell in the search field and you'll find some exceptional reading.

Our high schools don't teach basic economics as a required subject, and that is a real handicap for our youth. Read his basic economics for us regular folks (several titles and all easy to follow) and you will be able to understand the politician's stands on our economy so much better, and you'll have a lot more knowledge when you go to the voting booth.

He is a black man, so perhaps that's why one of his books is Black Rednecks and White Liberals. It's an eye opening history of important parts of American culture.

Has anyone else here read much by this rational intelligent scholar? I'd love to see him get into politics... he'd make a superb president!
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 02:31 am
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pstewart wrote:
Has anyone else here read much by this rational intelligent scholar?

I have read quite a lot by him; my overall reaction has been mildly positive, but not nearly as enthusiastic as yours. Sowell publishes very different quality for very different audiences. Personally, I appreciate his academic writings such as Ethnic America, Migration and Culture, and Affirmative Action around the World.

But I like his popular science books much less (Basic Economics for example.) They do not adequately reflect the state of the art in economics, conveniently ignoring or downplaying the uncomfortable parts for conservatives. You can get better popular economics textbooks, even from authors whose economic politics are similar to Sowell's. David Friedman's Hidden Order would be one of them.

Sowell's columns, finally, are nothing but quick-and-dirty think tank sludge. A few years ago I started reading them on the strength of his better books. But I have long since given up on them.

psteward wrote:
I'd love to see him get into politics... he'd make a superb president!

Even if he was the stellar economist that you think he is, and that I think he isn't, it doesn't follow he should be president. Economic competence alone does not make anyone a good leader of a country.
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 08:20 am
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pstewart wrote:
Our high schools don't teach basic economics as a required subject, and that is a real handicap for our youth.

I agree. The lack of economics education, for instance, can lead people to believe that Thomas Sowell is a competent economist.
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 10:04 am
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joefromchicago wrote:
pstewart wrote:
Our high schools don't teach basic economics as a required subject, and that is a real handicap for our youth.

I agree. The lack of economics education, for instance, can lead people to believe that Thomas Sowell is a competent economist.

Or an ingenuous economist. My impression has been that Sowel is competent. But he sacrifices his competence to his politics whenever he writes for a broader audience. Not that the distinction makes any difference to the audience.
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 03:58 pm
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joefromchicago wrote:
The lack of economics education, for instance, can lead people to believe that Thomas Sowell is a competent economist.


You tossed that out as if it were true, without anything to support it. Have you ever read one of Sowell's economics books? On what do you base your opinion that he is not a competent economist? If you can't elaborate with something to back up your belief, then we all should feel free to disregard your opinion.

Thomas wrote:
Economic competence alone does not make anyone a good leader of a country.


Not in itself, no. But Sowell is a clear thinker, and uses his intelligence honestly I think, from what I've read. We could use a real thinker in the white house. Also, he has knowledge of history and world culture as well... he is not JUST an economist. I agree that his affirmative action book (detailing what happened with AA around the world, not mentioning the USA) is excellent. He does the research. He bases his analyses on facts, not wishes and idealism.

As for the political aspect of Sowell's writings, it is impossible to discuss economics without giving examples of what happened when A or B was tried by past administrations and past congresses, and it's nearly impossible to keep today's politics out of it when politicians are passing laws that directly affect the economy.
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:11 pm
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pstewart wrote:
You tossed that out as if it were true, without anything to support it. Have you ever read one of Sowell's economics books? On what do you base your opinion that he is not a competent economist? If you can't elaborate with something to back up your belief, then we all should feel free to disregard your opinion.

I have never read any of Sowell's books. I have read enough of his columns, however, to be quite confident that his views on economics are thoroughly and hopelessly wrong (or, it could be the case, as Thomas suggests, that Sowell is merely intellectually dishonest, and that he has sacrificed his competence on the altar of politics -- c'est la meme chose).

And as for disregarding my opinion, you are perfectly free to do so for whatever reason you choose.

pstewart wrote:
As for the political aspect of Sowell's writings, it is impossible to discuss economics without giving examples of what happened when A or B was tried by past administrations and past congresses, and it's nearly impossible to keep today's politics out of it when politicians are passing laws that directly affect the economy.

On the contrary, most economists are quite able to omit political commentary from their economic analyses. It is only those economists with an explicit political agenda, like Sowell, who tend to confuse their economics with their politics.
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:12 pm
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pstewart wrote:
I'd love to see him get into politics... he'd make a superb president!

The Thomas Sowell who wrote:

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When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can't help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.

Question

Umm, no I dont think I'd like to see him as President.
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:30 pm
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nimh wrote:
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The Thomas Sowell who wrote:

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When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can't help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.

Question Umm, no I dont think I'd like to see him as President.


I'm glad you posted a link to the article, and I hope folks will take time to read the whole thing. As for the sentence you quote, I have thought the exact same thing myself. We may be too far gone to recover real democracy and personal responsibility as a virtue. People will believe any slogan tossed at them these days, no matter how ill considered. People just aren't educated well, and I think those who would take us down the path to socialism like it that way. Schools nowadays are for brainwashing, not for teaching facts and true history and economics and all that is needed for people to be ABLE to think for themselves.

I have said to my husband, "I think we're doomed... the only solution would be a military coup." Not that I'd want one, but it does seem rather hopeless. There's no way back once you give the vote to kids, once you have created a whole generation who thinks entitlement handouts are their "right" and don't have any desire to work hard to succeed on their own. No voter is going to give up free money. Socialism has never worked well anywhere, but there are so many liberals today who think it will work here that the current is rushing ahead out of control. Yes, we are doomed... unless something drastic happens to shock some sense into people. But I have no idea what it would take to turn around the train to socialist hell.

Do you realize that our govt spends 60% of its money (our money, from our taxes) on entitlement programs?
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 12:48 am
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pstewart wrote:
As for the political aspect of Sowell's writings, it is impossible to discuss economics without giving examples of what happened when A or B was tried by past administrations and past congresses,

I didn't say he shouldn't have used examples.

pstewart wrote:
and it's nearly impossible to keep today's politics out of it when politicians are passing laws that directly affect the economy.

I also didn't say he should have kept politics out of it. One of my two points was that Sowell does not discuss the state of the art in economy. The other was that you can find the state of the art better described by other popular writers, including writers who share Sowell's economic views.

But I never attacked Sowell on any of the points on which you are defending him against me.
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pstewart
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 12:51 am
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Thomas wrote:
I never attacked Sowell on any of the points on which you are defending him against me.


Thanks for clarifying your meaning,
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 01:25 am
You're welcome. I did attack Sowell, however, for misrepresenting economics. That's a pretty big deal when talking about an economist. Take Sowell's book Basic Economics for example: Nothing about monopoly and its implications on politics. Nothing about externalties -- neither positive externalties like fundamental scientific research, nor negative externalties like environmental pollution. Nothing about decreasing marginal utility of income. Nothing about sticky prices and their impact in macroeconomics.

These are important parts of any economics 101 curriculum. They belong in every popular account of the field. Sowell, who as an economics professor knows about these things, could have written about them easily. Yet Sowell ignores them. As it happens, these are also the topics of a standard econ 101 curriculum that justify government interference in the economy. It seems reasonable to conclude, then, that Sowell omitted these topics on purpose; he doesn't want his readers to believe government intervention into the free market is ever justified.
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 09:34 am
The one column Sowell wrote that sums up my own disillusion with today's society is this one. I have found the same thing over the years as I reluctantly watch news broadcasts and read media reports. The "knowledge" of most issues that voters are being fed these days is little more than sloganism. No one even asks for facts or evidence of results any longer... they seem satisfied with catchphrases that suit their own prejudgements, the very pre-packaged prejudgements which are often absorbed via the media and schools.

I remember my daughter in third grade coming home from school telling me we should conserve water. Why? Some parts of the nation, the west in particular, had a water shortage. We are east of the Mississippi and have a deep well which has never gone dry. But conserving water was a popular issue when CA was suffering, so the idea caught on, whether it was relevant here or not. Now the only toilet we could buy for the new bathroom was a water saving one that is hard to keep clean since they don't flush well. That might make sense in CA, but is nonsense here.

That's just one (poor) example of knee jerk reactionism that has spread through our nation. Sowell sums up the problem far better than I ever could, so see his article... I agree with him 100% here. Here's a quote that describes the problem:

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People who have made up their minds and don't want to be confused by the facts are a danger to the whole society. Since the votes of such people count just as much as the votes of people who know what they are talking about, politicians have every incentive to pass laws and create policies that pander to ignorant notions, if those notions are widespread.


Now, most people's first reaction to this will be to take offense and assume Sowell is calling voters stupid, rather than considering the examples he gives in so many writings that support the sad truth. Too many politicians want power more than they want what's best for our country's people. The "ignorant notions" that people absorb are usually tossed at them by politicians, with the help of the schools and media. Put a notion in the public's head, talk about little else until brainwashing is complete, then ride the issue to victory. Meanwhile, stifle experts who disagree, ignore facts which support the opposite view, and don't ever allow enough of the opposing evidence to leak out to the public. That's the road to getting elected with your promises to fix imaginary problems, t'hell with the consequences.
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