I hope this works out for Darfur...

Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 11:32 am
Interesting, and appreciate Dag's comments.
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 11:38 am
dagmaraka wrote:
Not sure, Freeduck. When will it be? In five years? Who will have access? Who's gonna pay for it? Who's not gonna get in on the deal and be pissed off?

I doubt people will see ANY benefits from this anytime soon.

Yeah. I'm under no illusion that peace and love will break out at the watering hole. Just hoping for the best.
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 12:01 pm
Appreciate dag's comments too. They were sorta kinda what I was getting at, with my doubt, but much more lucid.

On water, I've seen a lot of articles about it being the new oil; well, those are my words, at least I think they are, but it is a very important factor for haves and have nots, not that that isn't obvious. Let's say, of increasingly more importance in the machinations of various factions.
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 12:57 pm
Dag, your knowledge and insight make you an invaluable source for those of us trying to understand world politics.

One thing the Bush administration has accomplished for many of us is an increasingly skeptical and questioning regard of government proclamations.....even for those of us who have always been skeptical.

It's about time.
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:34 pm
One of my most favorite current artists (and there aren't many 'current' ones) is Emmanuel Jal. He grew up as a child soldier in Sudan, later Kenya. His album Ceasefire is a great mix of hip-hop, blues, jazz, whatahaveyou... not your typical album for sure.

Here is an article about him from 2005. I thought this might be a good place to write about him, as he's heavily invested in peace efforts in Sudan:

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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 05:24 pm
And here are two more links. The first is his basic personal web site:

And here is his music myspace page. You can hear four of his songs there:

One of them is "Vagina" (featured also in the movie Blood Diamond:

"...Neutral To Mr. oil, diamond and gold miner,
stop treating Mama Africa like a vagina,
She's not your whore, not anymore,
You take the riches and leave the people poor |:,

Never ever forget the genocide in Rwanda,
child soldiers and broken hearts in Uganda
Massacre taking place in Sudan
Young girls and women getting raped even now
Young children working in the mine fields
politicians allowing bad [?...can't tell what...]
and then they steal and then they kill...
and the innocent suffer...

To Mr. oil, diamond and gold miner
Stop treating Mama Africa like a vagina
She's not your whore, not anymore
You take the riches and you leave the people poor.

I see the government but who's pulling the strings?
Who's pulling the civil wars and uprisings?
Who's benefiting from our sufferings?
Could it be Mr. oil, diamond and gold miner?
Or is it the pharmaceutical companies?
Beneficiaries of the treatable disease?

Faceless, shameless, they remain nameless
But one thing for sure, they won't remain blameless
One thing for sure, they won't remain blameless
One thing for sure, they won't remaing blameless...
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 05:29 pm
And the last link: National geographic featuring Emmanuel Jal

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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:21 pm
Sorry, crew. Maybe I'm a natural pessimist, but since I haven't seen significant progress in South Sudan in the past decade, I'm not a bit inclined to think all that water is going to do anything to stop the violence in Dafur. Seems like people get a taste for violence, and don't need a reason to continue. It's all they know. They may not be as thirsty, but i don't expect any other changes.
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 12:03 am
A friend of mine from Connecticut worked for the Peace Corps in Liberia during the 60's. She has maintained contact with many of the friends she made there and, as a psychologist, had an interest in how the constant war had affected the children.

One of her friends sent her drawings done by teen boys who had known nothing but war. Their drawings had a cartoon quality, but the content was always violent, including slicing open the stomachs of pregnant women and tearing out the fetuses, bloody pictures of body parts, guns, sadistic cruelty.

It seems beyond belief that someone like Emmanuel Jal can survive with the ability to see beyond the killing and to go on to try to make a difference. There are always a few who can work past their background and affect the future in a positive way. I think these few exceptional people have been largely responsible for keeping the human race going for millenia without killing each other off.

He is an inspiring young man. Amazing that he survived with his humanity intact beneath the violent childhood he endured.
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 01:54 pm
More on the subject -

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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 04:42 am
No doubt the main reason for conflict was shoratage and lack of resources in this area, which lead to clashes among many tribes .
we hope this exploring will end this war. As I know the people of Sudan are very good and peaceful.
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