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Is Jesus true man AND true God?

 
 
Patches
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2016 12:12 pm
@giujohn,
You are the one making the claim, not me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2016 01:18 pm
@Patches,
You have hallucinated. Take my word for it, or go see a psychiatrist.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2016 01:24 pm
@Smileyrius,
Smileyrius wrote:

Why Greek and not his Hebrew name "Yehoshua", would that not be more apt, seeing as Jesus was a Jew that operated in the land of Judah?

What would his number be based on his Hebrew name?

Question: does Jesus' name ever appear as "Yehoshua" in the Bible?
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giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2016 06:18 pm
@Patches,
Ah, well if you can't disprove it it has equal validity to your ridiculous claim. Check and mate. And when I was 11 I saw reptilian aliens from Reticula in my bedroom.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 12:23 am
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

peacecrusader 888 said,

"Prove that God exists."

This is proof whether you or anyone else believes it or not. Some people go into a frenzy when you offer proof of God. So I am not going to debate it!

Identifying the Holy Spirit

This is a photograph of the Holy Spirit descending like a dove.
http://i.imgur.com/u1NzHvh.jpg

Below is a photograph of the Holy Spirit in his spiritual bodily form and motionless.
http://www.hauntedhovel.com/images/orb9.jpg

This is a painting showing the Holy Spirit upon the Apostle Saint Andrew.
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2014/01/halo.jpg
The Halo is found in scripture as the Holy Spirit alighting and remaining upon Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of God.

Mathew 3:16. When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

John 1:32. John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him."

The photograph at center is of the Holy Spirit in His spiritual bodily form.

Luke 3:22. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."

The Holy Spirit in His spiritual bodily form alighting and remaining upon Jesus appeared as a Halo.


It is called pareidolia.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 08:17 am
@Patches,
When you say "upon the Apostle Saint Andrew', where is the Holy Spirit?

According to the spirit of Ama, there is no halo, even to holy people. The halo is just used mostly in paintings.

The transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-13, Mark 9:2-13, and Luke 9:28-36 are used instead of John 1:32.

I repeat my questions: When was Jesus Christ born? When did He die?

I can illustrate proofs that God exists that even atheists cannot answer.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 07:15 pm
@peacecrusader888,
Quote:
I can illustrate proofs that God exists that even atheists cannot answer.


This is the substance that I am interested in. I have never claimed that God did not exist but I do have to say that I have never seen convincing evidence for the claim of a God existing. I do realize that we are all flawed and I learned this from our bible.

Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 08:38 pm
@peacecrusader888,
peacecrusader888 wrote:


I can illustrate proofs that God exists that even atheists cannot answer.


Male cow feces.
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2016 10:42 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic says:
This is the substance that I am interested in. I have never claimed that God did not exist but I do have to say that I have never seen convincing evidence for the claim of a God existing. I do realize that we are all flawed and I learned this from our bible.

My reply:
1. Get an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Punch a hole on the egg and drink its content. Did you feel any beak or fine feather from it? Yet after about 21 days of incubation, a chick emerges with beak and fine feather. Where did they come from?
2. We know that a male produces sperms in liquid form, and a female produces an ovum in liquid form. The sperm fertilizes the ovum and a fetus develops. After about 40 weeks, a baby is born, but it dies. It is buried. After a few years, the baby is exhumed. Where did the skeleton and hair of the baby come from?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 04:08 am
@peacecrusader888,
Quote:
1. Get an egg direct from the cloaca of a hen. Punch a hole on the egg and drink its content. Did you feel any beak or fine feather from it? Yet after about 21 days of incubation, a chick emerges with beak and fine feather. Where did they come from?
2. We know that a male produces sperms in liquid form, and a female produces an ovum in liquid form. The sperm fertilizes the ovum and a fetus develops. After about 40 weeks, a baby is born, but it dies. It is buried. After a few years, the baby is exhumed. Where did the skeleton and hair of the baby come from?


There will always be questions asked that we do not have answers to.

If everything has to be created then how was God created? If a God can just exist why cant we do the same?
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 05:10 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic says:
There will always be questions asked that we do not have answers to.

If everything has to be created then how was God created? If a God can just exist why cant we do the same?

My reply:
Where did the beak and fine feather of the chick come from? Where did the skeleton and hair of the baby come from?

God is "Alpha and Omega, the first and the last (Revelation 1:11). We cannot be God because He is "the first and the last". We were created by God.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 06:14 am
@peacecrusader888,
peacecrusader888 wrote:


God is "Alpha and Omega, the first and the last (Revelation 1:11). We cannot be God because He is "the first and the last". We were created by God.


No, you are not correct.

God and waters are both the first (and the last because the waters are self-existent) according to the Holy Bible:

Quote:
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Philip Hudson
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 06:20 pm
@Patches,
Jesus is the fullness of God. Thus he is Father, Son and Holy Ghost combined. See Colossians 1:1919 "For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him"
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 08:44 pm
@peacecrusader888,
Quote:
Where did the beak and fine feather of the chick come from? Where did the skeleton and hair of the baby come from?


If you think that is an amazing thing that exist then what about a God that you believe in? You think that something as powerful as God can just exist without a creator? If you think so why cant we, plants and animals exist with the cancers and diseases that many of us are born with? It seems to me it would be more likely that the chaos that we see may be the reality from the beginning of time.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2016 10:24 pm
@peacecrusader888,
Quote:
My reply:
Where did the beak and fine feather of the chick come from? Where did the skeleton and hair of the baby come from?


It's called evolution.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/how-did-life-begin.html

Planet earth is relatively young. It's only about 4.5 billion years old.

Earth ยท Age
4.54 billion years
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peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:55 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA quoted what are in Genesis of the Holy Bible:
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

oristarA commented:
God and waters are both the first (and the last because the waters are self-existent)

My reply:
I say that God existed first. He created you and me, and water. How can you say that BOTH God and water were the first? Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was "without form, and void".
peacecrusader888
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:19 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic says:
If you think that is an amazing thing that exist then what about a God that you believe in? You think that something as powerful as God can just exist without a creator? If you think so why cant we, plants and animals exist with the cancers and diseases that many of us are born with? It seems to me it would be more likely that the chaos that we see may be the reality from the beginning of time.

My reply:
God is the first and the last (Revelation 1:11). God exists without a creator. "plants and animals exist with the cancers and diseases that many of us are born with". Plants and animals can exist without the cancers and diseases when the spirit of Ama says that those redeemed from the earth (Revelation 14:3) and brought back to earth in about the year 2200, would be beautiful. When Ama said beautiful, I think He means that they will age and not have the cancers and diseases.
auroreII
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 11:40 pm
I've seen numerous arguments about whether God and Jesus are the same entity or two different entities. As for myself I believe that Jesus and God are two separate entities, but they both have the same spirit in them. If you could just look at their spirit you would see they were identical.- but that is just my opinion
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 11 Dec, 2016 06:32 am
@peacecrusader888,
peacecrusader888 wrote:

My reply:
I say that God existed first. He created you and me, and water. How can you say that BOTH God and water were the first? Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was "without form, and void".


Have you difficulty in understanding English version of the Holy Bible:

Quote:
1:1
[kjv] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[bbe] At the first God made the heaven and the earth.
1:2
[kjv] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[bbe] And the earth was waste and without form; and it was dark on the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God was moving on the face of the waters.
1:3
[kjv] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[bbe] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4
[kjv] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[bbe] And God, looking on the light, saw that it was good: and God made a division between the light and the dark,
1:5
[kjv] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[bbe] Naming the light, Day, and the dark, Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
1:6
[kjv] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[bbe] And God said, Let there be a solid arch stretching over the waters, parting the waters from the waters.

1:7
[kjv] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[bbe] And God made the arch for a division between the waters which were under the arch and those which were over it: and it was so.
1:8
[kjv] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[bbe] And God gave the arch the name of Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
1:9
[kjv] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[bbe] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven come together in one place, and let the dry land be seen: and it was so.
1:10
[kjv] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[bbe] And God gave the dry land the name of Earth; and the waters together in their place were named Seas: and God saw that it was good.
1:11
[kjv] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[bbe] And God said, Let grass come up on the earth, and plants producing seed, and fruit-trees giving fruit, in which is their seed, after their sort: and it was so.
1:12
[kjv] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[bbe] And grass came up on the earth, and every plant producing seed of its sort, and every tree producing fruit, in which is its seed, of its sort: and God saw that it was good.
1:13
[kjv] And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[bbe] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
1:14
[kjv] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[bbe] And God said, Let there be lights in the arch of heaven, for a division between the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for marking the changes of the year, and for days and for years:
1:15
[kjv] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[bbe] And let them be for lights in the arch of heaven to give light on the earth: and it was so.
1:16
[kjv] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[bbe] And God made the two great lights: the greater light to be the ruler of the day, and the smaller light to be the ruler of the night: and he made the stars.
1:17
[kjv] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[bbe] And God put them in the arch of heaven, to give light on the earth;
1:18
[kjv] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[bbe] To have rule over the day and the night, and for a division between the light and the dark: and God saw that it was good.
1:19
[kjv] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
[bbe] And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
1:20
[kjv] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
[bbe] And God said, Let the waters be full of living things, and let birds be in flight over the earth under the arch of heaven.
1:21
[kjv] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[bbe] And God made great sea-beasts, and every sort of living and moving thing with which the waters were full, and every sort of winged bird: and God saw that it was good.
1:22
[kjv] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[bbe] And God gave them his blessing, saying, Be fertile and have increase, making all the waters of the seas full, and let the birds be increased in the earth.
1:23
[kjv] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
[bbe] And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
1:24
[kjv] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
[bbe] And God said, Let the earth give birth to all sorts of living things, cattle and all things moving on the earth, and beasts of the earth after their sort: and it was so.
1:25
[kjv] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[bbe] And God made the beast of the earth after its sort, and the cattle after their sort, and everything moving on the face of the earth after its sort: and God saw that it was good.
1:26
[kjv] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[bbe] And God said, Let us make man in our image, like us: and let him have rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every living thing which goes flat on the earth.
1:27
[kjv] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[bbe] And God made man in his image, in the image of God he made him: male and female he made them.
1:28
[kjv] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
[bbe] And God gave them his blessing and said to them, Be fertile and have increase, and make the earth full and be masters of it; be rulers over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing moving on the earth.
1:29 [hgb]
[kjv] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[bbe] And God said, See, I have given you every plant producing seed, on the face of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit producing seed: they will be for your food:
1:30
[kjv] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[bbe] And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the air and every living thing moving on the face of the earth I have given every green plant for food: and it was so.
1:31
[kjv] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
[bbe] And God saw everything which he had made and it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


The Genesis points out that in God's six-day creation, he didn't create waters but simply divided the waters from the waters ("And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Because before the six-day creation, the waters was already there with God ("the Spirit of God was moving on the face of the waters")

To tamper with the text of the Bible is a sin cursed by God. And now your tempering has been recorded by Jesus if he exists.

And further, if God created anything including the waters, then the crucifixion of Jesus Christ would have been a silly thing created and played by God himself, such you "proved" that God is silly.

And no doubt you are thus a great sinner in Christians' eye.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Dec, 2016 03:38 pm
@peacecrusader888,
I find the sacrifice of Jesus as a non-sacrifice. He wasn't dead; he just slept for a few hours.
A real sacrifice doesn't come back to life.
 

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