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Yikes, now it's baby bottles that are worrysome

 
 
Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 12:41 pm
Link to SF Chronicle article


Glass baby bottles making comeback
Stores selling out after health alarms raised about plastics
Janine DeFao, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, April 9, 2007

Glass baby bottles, replaced decades ago by unbreakable plastic, are making such a comeback that parents can't get their hands on them.
Online and brick-and-mortar retailers report a run on glass baby bottles in recent weeks that they say was spurred by reports that the most common type of plastic in baby bottles may leach a toxic chemical.

San Francisco resident Sean Mullins said he decided to switch his 6-month-old son, Mickey, from plastic to glass bottles last month despite manufacturers' insistence that plastic bottles are safe.
"You want to avoid anything that could be a health risk to a baby," Mullins said. "You try to give them the best start."
But after searching stores in the Bay Area and Lake County, checking Web sites and being outbid on eBay, "we could not find them anywhere." A friend finally found some glass bottles after searching online for more than two hours, but they were back-ordered and aren't expected to be shipped until late this week.

Independent tests done for The Chronicle and reported in November found bisphenol A, a chemical that mimics estrogen, in a baby bottle and several toys. Bisphenol A is also found in the lining of food cans, some anti-cavity sealants for teeth, and electronics.

Then, in late February, Environment California, an advocacy group, released a report titled "Toxic Baby Bottles" that drew intense national media coverage.
When heated, five of the most popular brands of polycarbonate -- the clear, shatterproof plastic used in baby bottles -- leached bisphenol A at levels that have been found to cause harm in laboratory animals, Environment California found.
Even at low levels, bisphenol A has been linked to abnormalities in the mammary and prostate glands and the eggs of laboratory animals, scientists say. Animal tests also show bisphenol A can speed up puberty and add to weight gain, and may cause changes that can lead to breast and prostate cancer.
"Parents are so concerned," said Dan Jacobson, Environment California's legislative director. Jacobson said the baby bottle report prompted more calls and e-mails, from all over the country, than any other study the organization has issued.
"When parents get ready to have a kid, they put plastic covers on the outlets, they test their walls for lead paint, they get the right kind of crib," Jacobson said. "Then you find out the baby bottle, of all things, is a problem."

Makers of polycarbonate bottles and industry representatives say parents have been alarmed unnecessarily about a product that meets federal standards and has been in widespread use for more than 25 years. And some questioned using glass bottles.
"I think parents are arguably being misled into buying products that may not be as safe," said Steve Hentges, a spokesman for the American Chemistry Council, which represents manufacturers of bisphenol A -- sometimes known as BPA -- and other chemicals.
It's irrefutable that glass can shatter, Hentges said. But there is "no scientific basis to conclude that BPA is something to be concerned about ... at the extremely low levels that people might be exposed to from use of consumer products."

That didn't stop San Francisco from approving a ban on children's products containing bisphenol A and certain phthalates, the chemicals that soften polyvinyl chloride, or PVC. Animal studies also have shown that phthalates interfere with sex hormones.
Manufacturers and retailers have sued the city over the ban, which has yet to be implemented. The Board of Supervisors will consider amendments to the ordinance Tuesday, including repealing the ban on bisphenol A, pending action by the state, which is considering similar legislation.

Many parents say they're not taking any chances.
After reading The Chronicle's November story about bisphenol A and phthalates, David Lippman of Berkeley switched his 16-month-old daughter, Lucina, to glass bottles and sippy cups made of softer, opaque plastic, which some environmental health advocates are promoting as a safer alternative to polycarbonate.
"She's going to be exposed to enough plastics in the world that I can't be so obsessed about it," Lippman said. But "it was something small I could do in my own home."

The Web site naturalbabyhome .com reported at least a tenfold increase in sales of glass bottles last month, which it attributed to the Environment California report. The company eventually ran out.
Jen Thames, general manager of Natural Baby in North Canton, Ohio, said that small company received 300 orders for glass bottles the day the report was released, some from frantic parents who wanted overnight shipping. The company, which has been selling glass bottles for 10 years, saw its monthly sales of popular 4-ounce glass Evenflo bottles increase from an average of 60 a month to 600 last month. Sales of 8-ounce glass bottles jumped from 100 to 1,300.

Evenflo, which makes the glass bottles most commonly found in stores and online, acknowledged an increase in demand, but representatives declined to comment further. The Ohio manufacturer says the polycarbonate bottles it also makes are safe.
Monica Meneses, manager of Baby World on College Avenue in Oakland, said last week that she was out of glass bottles. Some Bay Area Babies "R" Us stores, including those in Emeryville, Union City and Redwood City, also were out of stock.

Tasha Bullard of Elk Grove (Sacramento County) last month switched to polyethylene bottle liners, also promoted as a safer plastic, to feed her 6-month-old son, Mason -- the day after she heard media reports on the possible dangers of plastic bottles.
"I typically don't react to these things," she said. "There are 9 million things that are bad for you. You try to temper everything with common sense."
But "this isn't something I want to take a chance on when it comes to my child's well-being."

Online resources
For information on possible risks and alternatives to plastics for children:
www.environmentcalifornia.org/reports/environmental-health/environmental-health -reports/toxic-baby-bottles
www.ewg.org/reports/bisphenola/consumertips.php
For information from plastics manufacturers:
www.bisphenol-a.org

What you can do
Environmental health advocates offer the following tips for minimizing children's exposure to bisphenol A and phthalates :
-- Avoid bottles and other food containers made of clear, hard polycarbonate plastic (made from bisphenol A), which may be labeled #7 or PC on the underside. Also avoid polyvinyl chloride (PVC), labeled #3, which can contain phthalates.
-- Choose plastic food containers, bottles and cups made of #1, #2 and #4 (polyethylene) and softer, opaque #5 (polypropylene) plastics, glass or stainless steel.
-- Avoid canned foods, including baby formula, which may contain bisphenol A in their lining.
-- Avoid foods wrapped in plastic.
-- Do not microwave children's food in plastic or polystyrene.
-- Do not put plastics in the dishwasher, and dispose of any plastic containers or dishware that look scratched or hazy.
-- Do not let children put plastic toys in their mouths.
-- Choose wooden toys or look for products labeled "PVC-free," though most children's products are not labeled. Soft plastic toys such as teethers, dolls and bath books may be made of PVC.
-- Call manufacturers to find out whether products contain bisphenol A or phthalates.

Source: Environment California, Environmental Working Group
E-mail Janine DeFao at [email protected].
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:06 pm
(sigh)
not the place for my rant.. but I do wish women would just breast feed like we are supposed to. Confused
Plastic is not safe
Neither is glass

But good ole natural boobie rocks.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:10 pm
Well, I plan on breastfeeding and using bottles. I want hubby to have a part in feeding so I am going to pump (if I can of course).

This is a little scary but there is always something out there that will kill you. I don't think I'll go get glass bottles.

Maybe I am stupid and naive.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:10 pm
Quote:
Makers of polycarbonate bottles and industry representatives say parents have been alarmed unnecessarily about a product that meets federal standards..........


Unnecessarily?

Federal standards allow CHEMICALS to be put into foods.
Things that cause cancer.. so long as they are in a "small" amount

Its like drinking a small amount of rat poison .. every day.. because it is 'safer'


ohhh grrrrrrrrrrr.
Things like this get under my skin..
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:25 pm
Well, I'm no one to judge on this, but that heating experiment concerns me.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:27 pm
ossobuco wrote:
Well, I'm no one to judge on this, but that heating experiment concerns me.


I think I won't be putting the bottles into the dishwasher. But I still plan on using plastic bottles.

One doesn't need to use the dishwasher to get something clean. We did it for a long time without a washer.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:38 pm
Embarrassed

I guess I forgot to add, and clarify...

when I hear the word BOTTLE, i assume people mean feeding by formula alone and not breastfeeding.

I understand you need to store breast milk in something, and give it in something . This is where the BOTTLE would come into play.

I just jumped to another "shewolf" conclusion..

(sigh)
sorry
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:49 pm
Ok now here is the question.

If the bottle is heated without milk in it (sterilized), and milk is put in later after the bottle has dried out, is it still causing the poison to get into the milk?

Or is it just when the bottle is heated with the milk in it that the poison is getting into the milk?
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 11:06 am
Bella Dea wrote:
Well, I plan on breastfeeding and using bottles. I want hubby to have a part in feeding so I am going to pump (if I can of course).

This is a little scary but there is always something out there that will kill you. I don't think I'll go get glass bottles.

Maybe I am stupid and naive.


If it is the heating of the bottles that is causing this - then heat up the formula in something else first and then pour into the bottle.

I also breast fed and bottle fed - sometimes you don't have a choice if you need to even spend some time away from baby. I used powder formula and used to heat up the water then add to the bottle with the formula. I also used those bottles that came with bags rather than the other type - should reduce air in the tummy.

But like you said - you are always going to hear about something being good one minute and the next it is bad for you.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 12:31 pm
If it's the heating then that's simple....you just don't heat the milk in the bottle...just dump into a glass measuring cup, heat and pour.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 12:34 pm
We don't know enough about the testing in the experiment. Transferring heated milk also transfers heat.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 12:51 pm
But how much heat is needed?

I suspect that the heat of baby formula/milk is not enough to cause something like this...but I could be wrong. I mean, you don't make it that hot before feeding it to your kid.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 12:55 pm
I have no idea how much heat, and it seems unlikely to me too. Dunno.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 12:59 pm
That discussion (plastic vs glass bottles # Bisphenol A) was a big topic here in 2002/3 ... and led to the same: more glass than plastic bottles since that time.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 01:26 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That discussion (plastic vs glass bottles # Bisphenol A) was a big topic here in 2002/3 ... and led to the same: more glass than plastic bottles since that time.


Do you know what the temp is that causes this leaching (letching...whatever)
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 02:14 pm
ossobuco wrote:
We don't know enough about the testing in the experiment. Transferring heated milk also transfers heat.


True - but I would guess it is not as hot. Some of the bottles I used said not to heat directly.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 02:15 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
But how much heat is needed?

I suspect that the heat of baby formula/milk is not enough to cause something like this...but I could be wrong. I mean, you don't make it that hot before feeding it to your kid.


I would use luke warm water - that was all that was needed - simply enough so it is the temp of your normal milk if drinking from the breast.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 02:17 pm
I think Bella meant how much heat is need to cause the bisphenol A to leach from the bottle.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 02:17 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Do you know what the temp is that causes this leaching (letching...whatever)


No - the scientic reports about that (in German) are only listed as titles.

However, according to one scientist from one study (as reported in August 2002) says that iz already starts at room temperature, gets more at body temperature and then of course even worse at higher temperatures.
(That's a study done at the Benjamin Franklin University Hospital Berlin.)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2007 02:25 pm
I have my doubts about how serious this is too, but then, do people microwave the bottles with milk or formula in them, or even do the milk in another container, get the timing off and then let the milk cool down to baby temp in the bottle?

I suppose there is scientific discussion of this online somewhere. I just saw the article and thought it was interesting.
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