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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:55 am
Quote:"One reason these people may have the guts to push someone off a bridge is that they don't comprehend how their actions would be evaluated by others," she said.
Interesting topic, and interesting point there.
I keep coming across this idea of pushing a person in front of a train to save a number of other people- psychiatrists/psychologists must have a thing for trains.
If you push someone in front of a train you're a murderer. If you watch a trolley kill 5 people you're a witness/bystander. People die all the time and you'd have to be screwed up in the head to feel responsible for everyone that died just because it might have been somehow possible for you to save them. We think in terms of our own perspective not in terms of maximizing some global goodness function so it makes perfect sense that only people with dysfunctional brains would go around murdering people to save others.
I must disagree stuh: you have a choice- to kill one person and save five, or save one and kill five- in that light it seems obvious that the loss of one life is not as bad as the loss of five. Pushing the one person may be murder of one person, but how could we say that allowing the murder of five rather than one, when you have the power to change that, is better? The rub comes with the fact that you have to physically push the person yourself. Consider (beware!, wildy hypothetical situation ahead); a maniacal mass murderer has said that he will definitely kill either one hostage, or kill five (forget motive and all that)- which would you rather have, if it was your choice? This is no different as the example where you push the one person, as; due to your choice, either one person or five will be killed.
But then with over-population and everything....
I said it before and I'll say it again...people (you and I) don't actually care how many people die. Our happiness does not come about by minimizing population deaths.
Someone just died as I wrote this. Good riddance, I don't care...and you're not crying either. See, you don't care how many people are dying around you.
The only relevance that other peoples deaths have on you is
a) do you feel guilty
b) do you miss them
Sure you will feel guilty if you let 5 people die, but guilt is tied to your actions more so than to the results of your actions. If you push the person you will feel more guilty later on than if you just watched as a bystander. You'll feel guilty if you just watch and don't do anything but not nearly as guilty as if you killed someone...and rightly so, because it is not your responsibility to save every person and stop every murderer.
Some additional analysis of the situation would be required before I'd sacrifice a random person: is the one person responsible, somehow, for the five deaths? Are the five people responsible for standing on the train tracks, and thus accepted the risk themselves? Could you sacrifice yourself to save the five people, or just a random stranger?
A random person, not causally connected to the five people in danger, should not be required to become the sacrifice for the other's survival.
stuh505 wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again...people (you and I) don't actually care how many people die. Our happiness does not come about by minimizing population deaths.
Why should everything be done for our own happiness? Is our happiness more important than the next person's? No, happiness is relative, and yours is not more important than anothers, individual happiness is no criterion for social relations and actions; the maximisation of hapiness for the maximum number of people should therefore be the aim- i.e. utilitarianism.
I don't think it doesn't have anything to do with what makes sense, it has to do with how your emotions are hard-coded...