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Probability of pairs of numbers in random number selections

 
 
Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 10:53 pm
Can anyone compute the probability of each of: one, two, three, four and five pairs of the same number in two of three random selections of 7 numbers from the range 1 to 49.

How about one, two and three sets of the same number in each of the 3 random selections of 7 numbers from 1 to 49.

My questions arise from what I perceive to be high frequencies of the same numbers appearing on lottery random number selections made at the same time.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 11:02 pm
Can you attempt to write an algebraic formula for this?
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markr
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 12:23 pm
The number of ways to draw exactly one pair in two of three drawings of K numbers from a set of N numbers is:

[C(N,K)] * [C(K,1) * C(N-K,K-1)] * [C(N-2K+1,K)] * C(3,2)

where C(N,K) = N! / [(N-K)! * K!]

Divide that by C(N,K)^3 to get the probability.

In your case, N=49, K=7.

It gets more complicated with more pairs.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 01:59 pm
markr, your equation only made me cross my eyes. It's been too long since I did anything like that if I ever did.


This may help to explain it a little better.

The birthday paradox
http://www.itsecurity.com/security.htm?s=239
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 02:25 pm
parados, I've known about the classroom paradox, but I'd be interested in seeing how to formulate "six degrees of separation." I have seen from personal experience some mathematically slim chance incidents. The first one was some years ago when I used to work for Florsheim as a traveling auditor. I called a childhood friend of mine who now lives in Los Angeles, and we went to J-town for dinner. After sitting down, my older brother walked into the same restaurant, and he lives in Sacramento. Another incident was when my brother and his wife joined us for the Aegean Sea cruise from Istanbul to Athens. We took the Bospherous cruise that included lunch at a restaurant called the Garaj. After sitting at a table for six, another couple sat at our table, so I asked them where they were from. They guy said, Lodi, and that's where my brother is from. He even used my brother's ophthalmologic office, but this was the first time they met. On another occasion, I was on a transAtlantic cruise, and was talking to a couple in the Horizon lounge about a professor I met on my Budapest to the Black Sea cruise. A lady came up to me and asked if I knew the professors name. I said, yes, his name is Jerry Poe. She goes on to tell me she works with his wife all the time. What are the mathematical odds?
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markr
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 03:35 pm
parados wrote:
markr, your equation only made me cross my eyes. It's been too long since I did anything like that if I ever did.


This may help to explain it a little better.

The birthday paradox
http://www.itsecurity.com/security.htm?s=239


Although somewhat related, this is not the same problem. Each person has only one birthday (not seven), and the birthday problem solution doesn't address the probability of exactly one, two, three, etc. pairs.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 04:34 pm
markr, I'm sure paradose is aware that his classroom paradox isn't related, but since you provided the answer, he just included something also of interest. I think this is the first time I've seen it formula form, although I've known about the paradox most of my life.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 05:30 pm
markr,

I got the impression that Carmi felt the odds should preclude so many pairs from showing up. Your formula while nice and I am sure it works isn't something most people with nothing more than some high school algebra would understand. Since we get so many people wanting someone else to do their homework posting the forumula alone is just fine. I just wanted to show that the odds aren't as high as most people think it would be.


From the birthday paradox site I give a link to....
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If we evaluate this formula, we get a much smaller figure; that is, there only needs to be 23 people before there is a likelihood that two of them share the same birthday. This is much fewer than most people would assume without doing the math - it seems 'unreasonable'; and that is the paradox.


It also seems unreasonable that there are so many pairs when you get a lottery ticket with supposed random numbers.
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markr
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 08:24 pm
I see. I misinterpreted "This may help to explain it a little better." to imply it was a solution to the problem.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:06 pm
No problem markr. I wasn't very clear.

The other thing Ci about people showing up in strange places is harder to quantify I am sure. Too many human interactions. Perhaps your brother suggested a restaurant to you because he knew you were going to a particular city then he suggested that same restaurant to his client. Humans rarely act in a random fashion. We are hardwired to respond to stimuli in the same ways.

I was always amazed (and somewhat disgruntled) with my father when I was a boy how he could always find someone that knew someone he knew no matter where he was.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:32 pm
I wish that were true, but he lives in Sacramento, while I live in Silicon Valley. We've not lived in the same city for many decades - about five. Besides, it's my friend that selected the restaurant.
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